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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgerat View Post
    DOD can't happen, posse comitatus prevents it
    Great point, Bilge..

    I forgot to add that. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgerat View Post
    DOD can't happen, posse comitatus prevents it
    I had to mull this one over a few minutes. So we swear to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic ... but posse comitatus overrides that? I don't know anything about the CG's argument nor with who , but that's just stupid. You guard the waters of the US but posse comitatus preempts you from being military? All I can say about that is BULLSHIT. That is one lame ass excuse. So y'all just don't f-ing count? But they can deploy you to a foreign nation to get shot at like the rest of us?

    What a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I had to mull this one over a few minutes. So we swear to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic ... but posse comitatus overrides that? I don't know anything about the CG's argument nor with who , but that's just stupid. You guard the waters of the US but posse comitatus preempts you from being military? All I can say about that is BULLSHIT. That is one lame ass excuse. So y'all just don't f-ing count? But they can deploy you to a foreign nation to get shot at like the rest of us?

    What a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit.

    Both of us hear you Gunny. As a Coastie Engineer I was used to working on shit that was first made in my Da's day.

    But I don't feel so bad, the crew on the Cutter Smilax (WLIC 315) are working on a 72 year old tender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgerat View Post
    Both of us hear you Gunny. As a Coastie Engineer I was used to working on shit that was first made in my Da's day.

    But I don't feel so bad, the crew on the Cutter Smilax (WLIC 315) are working on a 72 year old tender.
    I'm sure every squid on this board hears me. I might kick your ass in the bar in Singapore but you're my ride. I will admit I have a disconnect here. We ALL do our jobs. What makes one of us less than the other? And being a jarhead, I KNOW the crap y'all go through. This is unsat. My congressman's getting a letter. Trust THAT.

    DO y'all get retirement and/or VA and that kind of stuff? I hate to sound ignorant but I only know about Coasties from having a humanitarian to a MEPS to take care of my grandmother until she could get back on her feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    A 36' boat in 30' seas with a tidal surge coming? HO-LEE crap! DO their balls set off the metal detectors at airports?

    I'm going to have to break down and actually read a link.
    they were ordered to go. I think in this case i say fuck you and hold out my hands for cuffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I'm sure every squid on this board hears me. I might kick your ass in the bar in Singapore but you're my ride. I will admit I have a disconnect here. We ALL do our jobs. What makes one of us less than the other? And being a jarhead, I KNOW the crap y'all go through. This is unsat. My congressman's getting a letter. Trust THAT.

    DO y'all get retirement and/or VA and that kind of stuff? I hate to sound ignorant but I only know about Coasties from having a humanitarian to a MEPS to take care of my grandmother until she could get back on her feet.

    Oh yeah, We get the same pay & bennies (for the rates) that DOD has. Retirement too.

    As for VA, yeppers that too. I'm heading out to West Palm tomorrow for a sonogram on the throat and next month I'm getting work done to the stbd paw. (not to mention the knees, the back and other parts damaged during the job)
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet View Post
    they were ordered to go. I think in this case i say fuck you and hold out my hands for cuffs
    Some of the guy's at the Station did indeed "beat feet". Others had already gone out on another boat.

    One of the things taught is the saying, "You have to go out, you don't have to come back". This is straight from the Regulations of the Life-Saving Service of 1899.

    http://www.uscg.mil/history/faqs/LSSmotto.asp
    Last edited by Bilgerat; 05-19-2016 at 03:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I had to mull this one over a few minutes. So we swear to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic ... but posse comitatus overrides that? I don't know anything about the CG's argument nor with who , but that's just stupid. You guard the waters of the US but posse comitatus preempts you from being military? All I can say about that is BULLSHIT. That is one lame ass excuse. So y'all just don't f-ing count? But they can deploy you to a foreign nation to get shot at like the rest of us?

    What a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit.
    It all boils down to federal law and jurisdiction, Gunny.

    Posse Comitatus allows far more flexibility to enforce laws and regulations.
    Only if Martial Law was declared could any DOD branch step in, the exception
    being National Guard at the state level.

    DOD is not allowed or mandated to Law Enforcement except in time of
    a declared war. The Navy often carries a USCG detachment on board when
    patrolling certain seaways. The CG team is allowed to board, search, detain,
    and take control of contraband or illegal aliens. The DOD cannot do that.
    Last edited by Elessar; 05-19-2016 at 04:00 PM.
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    Just got a chance to watch this. You Coast Guard guys got my utmost respect.... anyone who thinks they are something less than any other service can see me for their justly deserved ass kicking!
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    Default Great to see the COAST GUARD not being taken for granted anymore.

    As veterans, we all know most civilians have little idea what was required of all of us. But in today's World of Terror, and Drug running, and constant SEARCH & RESCUE missions rarely heard of, or reported. Like the Police. Coast Guard men, and women should be getting the Highest of our Admiration, and Respect....for KEEPING ALL OF US SAFE!

    Thanks to ALL OF YOU! I proudly....
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    This is Legend for the Coast Guard, @namvet.

    Bernard Webber and his boat crew were unfailing and courageous. That
    was a 36 foot, single screw Motor Life Boat.

    I just hope Disney does not muck it up, as was done with 'The Guardian'.

    http://www.uscg.mil/history/articles...on_webster.asp
    Saw this movie last night. Those men were incredibly brave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Saw this movie last night. Those men were incredibly brave.
    Incredible bravery by the guys in the cutter, not to mention skill and some luck. Incredible resourcefulness by the guys in the torn-in-half ship, too. Pretty amazing story all around.
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