Well damn, a WMD has just gone off under Tony Blairs chair, savage.
Summary - http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/...ve-summary.pdf
Plant Parenthood.
Chilcot Report
Well damn, a WMD has just gone off under Tony Blairs chair, savage.
Summary - http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/...ve-summary.pdf
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Thatcherite Minion
I understand the Report concludes that not all peaceful options had been exhausted, in dealing with Saddam ??Originally Posted by Noir
Nonsense, of course.
Saddam had spent many years in mucking the UN about. All Blix's people could ever do was to go to sites chosen by Saddam's people, and check them out (to the extent they could even do that !). Nobody could search the whole of Iraq for WMD's, which made Blix's actions farcical in the extreme. There was simply NO WAY to conclude that WMD's did not exist in Iraq.
Therefore, action had to be taken that was decisive, that settled the issue. Bush and Blair followed through in the only truly useful way possible.
And for this, Chilcot (the Inquiry commissioned by Gordon Brown, a RIVAL of Blair's ..) was ordered to investigate and come up with his Inquiry. It has taken SEVEN YEARS for Chilcot to deal with this ... if the issues involved were 'clear cut' and a position discernible ... HOW COME we had such an enormous delay ???
It stinks, Noir, and if you're being honest, you'll admit it does.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
Plant Parenthood.
The report has taken far too long to come out, but those who have have been devouring its contents have commented on the unparalleled level detail of the report, so it may be that an investigation of this nature simply needs this amount of time for completion without diminishing the contents.
Great to see your already drawn your own conclusion on a 2 million word document that you haven't read. Makes it all worthwhile eh?
Personally I look forward to reading it, I hope that you do to.
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Thatcherite Minion
Chilcot drafted two million words to cover the one point ? Really ?
Plant Parenthood.
I thought as someone of keen political sense you would have been more interested in this report and the documents it contains than you seem to be. But hey, whatever floats your boat (or doesn't in this case).Chilcot drafted two million words to cover the one point ? Really ?
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Liberal moonbat
The U.S. needs its own Chilcot report. To investigate George W Bush for his idiot decision to invade Iraq. Perhaps they can get Trump to testify.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eport-iraq-war
Smitten Senior Admin
Just got home from a class taught by a former CIA director of operations (Middle East particularly) who said we didn't think there were WMDs in Iraq. We knew there were. As did the Russians, the Germans,and the Israelis, to name a few.
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“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
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Smitten Senior Admin
ETA: this man sat in on National Security Presidential briefings. He's the real deal.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
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IIRC the question revolved around the existence of a WMD program which wasn't found.
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Smitten Senior Admin
1. Never heard that. Everyone talks about how Bush lied, etc., because there were no WMDs.
2. Is there a difference between owning WMD's and having a "program"? I would contend that ownership is a program.
3. My CIA prof seems to think the issue was whether they existed or not. No mention of a program being the issue.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey
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Yup. Everyone from Cheney to Chomsky knew there were weapons.
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Thatcherite Minion
It was idiotic to act to remove a brutal regime from power, one that had links to terrorists, one that bankrolled Hamas, one that had DEPLOYED a WMD against the Kurds .. yet, somehow, we were all supposed to 'know' that Saddam had no stock of WMD's ... and this ... just because SADDAM SAID SO ??The U.S. needs its own Chilcot report. To investigate George W Bush for his idiot decision to invade Iraq. Perhaps they can get Trump to testify.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eport-iraq-war
Going to however many sites Blix's team were led to, and have that team verify them to be sites where WMD's may have been neutralised .. said nothing at all about any REMAINING stocks. Short of physically scouring the entirety of Iraq for the sake of failing to find any being held, how else could the truth be determined ? Blix had no hope of doing that himself.
Only an invasion could hope to achieve such an aim, AND kill off any chance of their being used, or traded ... whatever.
According to Chilcot's 'findings', not all peaceful avenues had been explored with Saddam. Leaving aside the obvious one of just surrendering to Saddam and deciding he could do what he wanted, with whatever he had (!!!) ... can ANYONE suggest any alternative 'peaceful' outcome being available at the time ??
Unabashed Boatswain's Mate
Noir....You are so damn dumb that you are Happy.
What were those conveys of trucks headed to Syria spotted by USA and UK aircraft carrying? Oranges?
Evidence was found of WMD. Saddam both sent the stuff into Syria and buried the rest to thwart the UN.
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Saddam said in his jail cell that he wanted Iran to BELIEVE he had WMDs.
Grain of salt. But an interesting tidbit.
Unabashed Boatswain's Mate
Sometimes you are a complete idiot.The U.S. needs its own Chilcot report. To investigate George W Bush for his idiot decision to invade Iraq. Perhaps they can get Trump to testify.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eport-iraq-war
What has Trump got to do with Bush carrying out a UN Mandate?
That the UN Attorney-General was involved with the 'Oil for Food' scam under the table matters not to you.
Saddam thumbing his nose at the USA and the rest of the world for 8 years matters not to you.
Obama refusing to agree to a Status of Forces pact in Iraq and pulling out like a coward, means
nothing to You.
Obama birthed ISIS....yet you fool liberals always deny it. "Junior Varsity"....yeah, sure. Now they are
global thanks to Obama and Clinton.
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