Kellyanne Conway for chief of staff

[red states rule]

Rudy Gulliani as AG would be HORRIBLE. HORRIFIC. the WORSE person he could pick.
It'd just confirm the worse about Trump on the justice front.
Gulliani has ZERO concern for the constitution. or fair justice.
Heck the NY FireDept hates his guts as well as many NY citizens.

Rudy is a superior prosecutor. Do you remember he helped take down all the five families in NY in the Commission trail?

He is relentless when he goes after someone and he just the type needed to drain the swamp Rev

Funny how he was re-elected as Mayor and he drained that swamp after two terms

Perhaps the hate is simply a liberal thing Rev

[revelarts]

Rudy is a superior prosecutor. Do you remember he helped take down all the five families in NY in the Commission trail?

He is relentless when he goes after someone and he just the type needed to drain the swamp Rev

Funny how he was re-elected as Mayor and he drained that swamp after two terms

Perhaps the hate is simply a liberal thing Rev

"Perhaps the hate is simply a liberal thing Rev"
sheesh, what's up with you guys?
A Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes song has been going through my head here lately. the title sorta applies..
I wonder if this will be taken out of context as well.

[revelarts]

But as far a Gulliani is concerned I think he's neo-facist, unconstitutional, he's protected corrupt cops, is... um... less than sensitive when it comes to ethnic issues, used 911 for his own glory and enrichment and he crapped on the 911 firefighters and their families after 911.
among other things.

If you think i'm mistaken and want me provide detail ....that you'll likely reject and/or ignore... about all of the above be prepared to read a lot and or watch a several videos.

[NightTrain]

But as far a Gulliani is concerned I think he's neo-facist, unconstitutional, he's protected corrupt cops, is... um... less than sensitive when it comes to ethnic issues, used 911 for his own glory and enrichment and he crapped on the 911 firefighters and their families after 911.
among other things.

If you think i'm mistaken and want me provide detail ....that you'll likely reject and/or ignore... about all of the above be prepared to read a lot and or watch a several videos.

I don't get why the sudden dislike of Giuliani?

I mean, I understand why the libs are going batshit about him like everyone else associated with Trump right now, but I can't think of anything he's done wrong?

What am I missing?

And please, Rev, I will watch your vids and read your backup but please stick to decent sources. I've seen enough ranting nutjobs in the last few days all over the net wherever I go.

[revelarts]

I don't get why the sudden dislike of Giuliani?

I mean, I understand why the libs are going batshit about him like everyone else associated with Trump right now, but I can't think of anything he's done wrong?

What am I missing?

And please, Rev, I will watch your vids and read your backup but please stick to decent sources. I've seen enough ranting nutjobs in the last few days all over the net wherever I go.

[revelarts]

BTW it's not "all of a sudden", I've never been a fan of Rudy. Trump has nothing to do with my views about Rudy.
I think Rudy makes TRUMP look worse. makes him look old school crony, corrupt, unconstitutional establishment.

[NightTrain]

BTW it's not "all of a sudden", I've never been a fan of Rudy. Trump has nothing to do with my views about Rudy.
I think Rudy makes TRUMP look worse. makes him look old school crony, corrupt, unconstitutional establishment.

Fair enough! Watching your vid now.

[NightTrain]

Rev, this video was made back in the '08 runup to election. The IAFF, the Firefighter's Union who made this video, was backing Obama.

Giuliani was a Republican contender, and ultimately was beaten by McCain.

It's a political union hit piece, something I've been exposed to many times as an IBEW member and the union leaders attempt to fulfill their pledges of block voters to the Politician-of-the-Moment do this every election. Honestly, it rankles with most of us - no one tells me how to vote, but there are sheep in every group who do what they're told.


At any rate, regarding the actual substance of that vid...

1) Radio problems - yep, that's a big issue with Police and Firefighters nationwide. A few years ago I helped set up the new emergency radio network around Anchorage for Motorola. It was a fun project and I listened in on the network as we fine tuned things and talked with the cops & firemen as we worked things out. They all had the same gripes - the difference is that Anchorage didn't have a 9/11. They all understood the budgetary problems and technical issues that plague emergency traffic networks.

2) Blaming Giuliani for setting up a headquarters in WTC 7 is pretty lame. No one in their right mind anticipated 9/11 and what ultimately happened there.

3) Stopping the search for bodies after recovering the gold from the vault is BS. I understand that the families were pissed, and we were all there with them in spirit as they grieved this horrible tragedy. Giuliani made some incredibly tough calls that were going to be unpopular no matter which way he went.

I don't subscribe for a moment that he acted in any way nefariously or with any political or self interest in the aftermath of 9/11. He had to make decisions to save as many people as he could as fast as possible and try to avoid any more casualties. In a situation like that, no one is going to bat a thousand.

As far as Rudy Giuliani is concerned, he's still golden in my book.

[Abbey Marie]

I will have to watch the video when I get home later, but for now I can tell you that my brother was a firefighter with the FDNY, and he is a fan of Giuliani.

[revelarts]

Rev, this video was made back in the '08 runup to election. The IAFF, the Firefighter's Union who made this video, was backing Obama.

Giuliani was a Republican contender, and ultimately was beaten by McCain.

It's a political union hit piece, something I've been exposed to many times as an IBEW member and the union leaders attempt to fulfill their pledges of block voters to the Politician-of-the-Moment do this every election. Honestly, it rankles with most of us - no one tells me how to vote, but there are sheep in every group who do what they're told.

a hit piece? sheesh.. If i hadn't heard FFs saying the same before and after Rudy ran i might give half a point for that standard reply of ... Rejecting the Source.
but since the FFs have been consistent , i'll take it that they are sincere and not simply politically motivated. But i have to ask, is there any way that Rudy might me considered politically motivated?

At any rate, regarding the actual substance of that vid...

1) Radio problems - yep, that's a big issue with Police and Firefighters nationwide. A few years ago I helped set up the new emergency radio network around Anchorage for Motorola. It was a fun project and I listened in on the network as we fine tuned things and talked with the cops & firemen as we worked things out. They all had the same gripes - the difference is that Anchorage didn't have a 9/11. They all understood the budgetary problems and technical issues that plague emergency traffic networks.

Again I heard and read about the radio problems and the history shortly after 911. Long and Ongoing. And as the video points out the radios Were NOT tested properly and not sent out to bid properly. That goes back to Rudy's management. So at the very least it make him either a poor or negligent Mayor. At worse it makes him corrupt.
Take your pick. But it seems to me one can't say honestly... ho hum they've had radio problems since 1993 and they were never fixed but that shows NO PROBLEM with the leadership. Especially when he LIES before congress about the reason why the Fire Fighters didn't leave the buildings. That alone shows a lack of taking responsibility and a level of scumbaggery that is disgusting.

2) Blaming Giuliani for setting up a headquarters in WTC 7 is pretty lame. No one in their right mind anticipated 9/11 and what ultimately happened there.

If , as it's been shown by documentation, that he refused to follow the advise of his people AND THE FBI and made the decision himself, AFTER terrorist in 1993 had already threatened to try and take down the buildings AGAIN. yes you can.

3) Stopping the search for bodies after recovering the gold from the vault is BS. I understand that the families were pissed, and we were all there with them in spirit as they grieved this horrible tragedy. Giuliani made some incredibly tough calls that were going to be unpopular no matter which way he went.

SO it was just a coincidence that removing remains stopped after the gold was found? hmm.
And it was a tough call to stop the removal of remains. And a tough call to start it back up after FFs and victims family's got enough public support for Rudy to change his mind about putting people's remains in the city landfill.
Yeah sure. sorry i don't buy that NT.

I don't subscribe for a moment that he acted in any way nefariously or with any political or self interest in the aftermath of 9/11. He had to make decisions to save as many people as he could as fast as possible and try to avoid any more casualties. In a situation like that, no one is going to bat a thousand.

Your right no ones going to bat a thousand in anything.
But the above acts don't show me someone who should be playing pro ball.
And Most of the things mentioned in the video had little to do with quick decisions but decisions made over the course of years or weeks and only few were made over the course of days.

As far as Rudy Giuliani is concerned, he's still golden in my book.

As I mentioned earlier the above is only one of many series of reasons why Giuliani is Crap-tastic in my book.

[revelarts]

As far Giuliani being nefarious or operating with political or self interest, well that goes to motives. Not something that's easily divined.
All I can say is if someone take credits for stuff he had little to do with. And doesn't take responsibility for things he does have direct and indirect authority over. Add to that some actions that seem calculated for his own advantage without regard for others.
Well then i think it's at least reasonable to say that maybe the motives aren't completely pure.

[NightTrain]

a hit piece? sheesh.. If i hadn't heard FFs saying the same before and after Rudy ran i might give half a point for that standard reply of ... Rejecting the Source.

Rev, if we did not question the source, we'd be no better than the moonbats. I guarantee that you wouldn't like it if I used a Facebook or a blog page as my source. Right?

but since the FFs have been consistent , i'll take it that they are sincere and not simply politically motivated. But i have to ask, is there any way that Rudy might me considered politically motivated?

There are a great many FDNY firefighters who love Giuliani. I already explained to why using a political union hit piece isn't doing you any favors here. And you can't deny that it's not a political video from the '08 election.

Again I heard and read about the radio problems and the history shortly after 911. Long and Ongoing. And as the video points out the radios Were NOT tested properly and not sent out to bid properly. That goes back to Rudy's management. So at the very least it make him either a poor or negligent Mayor. At worse it makes him corrupt.
Take your pick. But it seems to me one can't say honestly... ho hum they've had radio problems since 1993 and they were never fixed but that shows NO PROBLEM with the leadership. Especially when he LIES before congress about the reason why the Fire Fighters didn't leave the buildings. That alone shows a lack of taking responsibility and a level of scumbaggery that is disgusting.

I agree that there were problems that should have been addressed with the radios. What you're overlooking is that the same problem manifests itself all over the country as I tried to explain to you.

Could he have done a better job? Absolutely. But that was not a unique radio problem, especially in 2001. ROIP technology (Radio Over IP) has addressed many of those issues but back then things were a mess and widespread.

Remember the old school analog cell phones back in 2001? The old Nokia candybar phones? Remember how suddenly you'd be talking to another person or listening to someone else's conversation out of the blue? Switching was lagging behind all the portable radios everyone was carrying around and things got very weird. New radios frequently didn't work on old systems, and vice versa, and sometimes they'd work sporadically. I know this from professional experience, and believe me when I say that many times I didn't have any answers to why some radios worked - and neither did the Factory Reps and Engineers from Motorola. We fixed it, but it was a long, convoluted process of trial & error at times.

I hate admitting this, but there were a few times that we fixed a network-killing problem and none of us knew what fixed it. It tested rock solid and at that point, you leave that miserable bastard alone. Not my choice, but the owners paying the bills made that call.

If , as it's been shown by documentation, that he refused to follow the advise of his people AND THE FBI and made the decision himself, AFTER terrorist in 1993 had already threatened to try and take down the buildings AGAIN. yes you can.

You're being illogical here, Rev. No one anticipated 9/11 or even the remote possibility of the building coming down. Hell, you yourself were a staunch supporter that it was impossible for that building to come down accidentally, remember? That whole Truther thing?

SO it was just a coincidence that removing remains stopped after the gold was found? hmm.
And it was a tough call to stop the removal of remains. And a tough call to start it back up after FFs and victims family's got enough public support for Rudy to change his mind about putting people's remains in the city landfill.
Yeah sure. sorry i don't buy that NT.

Fair enough. I don't agree with you, and I think he was trying to think of the safety of the living over recovering the dead, so we'll have to respectfully disagree. It would be a hellishly tough decision to make.

[aboutime]

rev. Just one question. Other than yourself. Is there any other human being, anywhere in the United States that you DO LIKE?

I once learned from a very reliable, trustworthy person in my life. People like you who are always NEGATIVE about almost everything. BECOME the NEGATIVE you hang out with, listen to, and pretend to be while impressing them with THEIR NEGATIVITY.

[OCA]

rev. Just one question. Other than yourself. Is there any other human being, anywhere in the United States that you DO LIKE?

I once learned from a very reliable, trustworthy person in my life. People like you who are always NEGATIVE about almost everything. BECOME the NEGATIVE you hang out with, listen to, and pretend to be while impressing them with THEIR NEGATIVITY.

And i once heard an old Greek say that sheep 🐩 like you make good souvlaki and gyros.

[gabosaurus]

Now that Trump has been elected, I doubt he will appoint any women to key positions. In the business world, white males make the rules and everyone else follows instructions.
Latest scoop on Trump's chief of staff:

Trump is said to be considering Steve Bannon, his campaign chairman and a conservative media executive, and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus for the job. Neither has significant policy experience, though Priebus is well-liked in Washington and has ties with lawmakers.