How Complete Was The Fall Of Obama?

[Kathianne]

Quite. The following is a superb description of just how complete. That it's beautifully written is just a bonus.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...ruined-choirs/

Something to think about though, there is a long tradition of the dominant party to follow such extraordinary control with an extraordinary bout of hubris.

Do you think this will be avoided?

[OCA]

Quite. The following is a superb description of just how complete. That it's beautifully written is just a bonus.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...ruined-choirs/

Something to think about though, there is a long tradition of the dominant party to follow such extraordinary control with an extraordinary bout of hubris.

Do you think this will be avoided?

Just how steep or is there really a fall?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...2-years-230897

[Kathianne]

Just how steep or is there really a fall?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...2-years-230897

Obama has many that really like him, his approval ratings haven't fallen far for long. Liking a president though, doesn't always result in voting his preferences, illustrated in the last 3 election results. Indeed, an argument can be made that when Obama endorses someone, it has spelled loss.

Look at the issues through polling lens, his policies aren't popular and haven't been. People like him though.

I think I say confidently say that I'll never like Trump, I don't like his style, behavior, or his politics over the years. With that said, if he ends up pushing or his administration succeeds in legislation and policies I do favor, I'll have been glad he was elected over my opinion.

Whenever a discussion like this arises, I think of Carter. In most ways his values and ethics seem high on the morality scale, (though IMO he's an anti-semite and acted deplorably as ex-president towards his successors). Still, his administration has been considered the worst ever, until recently.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quite. The following is a superb description of just how complete. That it's beautifully written is just a bonus.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...ruined-choirs/

Something to think about though, there is a long tradition of the dominant party to follow such extraordinary control with an extraordinary bout of hubris.

Do you think this will be avoided?

Very informative article that points out much. However,OBAMA'S FALL WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE UNLESS AFTER HE IS OUT OF OFFICE HE FACES EASILY PROVEN CHARGES OF TREASON-- NOTED THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AS THE GLOBALIST SHILL HAS THEIR PROTECTION.

Some of us see with clarity on such matters while the rest of the wold wallows in the liberal "million shades of gray" crap that begs to turn blind eyes to truth and justice...
Obama should face justice for his treason (as in being tried and convicted legally), but he never will...
And that is why the road is clear for a future obama(globalist shill) to come along and destroy this nation. -Tyr

[OCA]

Very informative article that points out much. However,OBAMA'S FALL WILL NEVER BE COMPLETE UNLESS AFTER HE IS OUT OF OFFICE HE FACES EASILY PROVEN CHARGES OF TREASON-- NOTED THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AS THE GLOBALIST SHILL HAS THEIR PROTECTION.

Some of us see with clarity on such matters while the rest of the wold wallows in the liberal "million shades of gray" crap that begs to turn blind eyes to truth and justice...
Obama should face justice for his treason (as in being tried and convicted legally), but he never will...
And that is why the road is clear for a future obama(globalist shill) to come along and destroy this nation. -Tyr

Would you kindly name and prove these charges of treason?

The whole board simultaneously just said "why did he ask him that? Here we go again!"

[Bilgerat]

[NightTrain]

Just how steep or is there really a fall?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...2-years-230897

Still citing pre-election polls, are we?

Tsk.

[fj1200]

Just how steep or is there really a fall?

Pretty steep. One need only look at the wave of read starting before 2010 if Scott Brown in Mass was any indication.

Still citing pre-election polls, are we?

Tsk.

That's not really something subject to election.

[NightTrain]

That's not really something subject to election.

If you still believe that polls were accurate with regard to politics and weren't being tampered with - especially this one published immediately before the election - then I can't help you.

I think it's abundantly clear to everyone that almost every single one were garbage. Gallup included.

The only poll, in retrospect, that had any idea of the true mood of the country was IBD/TIPP. The case could be argued that the LA Times had a handle on it, too, but those are the only ones.

[Black Diamond]

Quite. The following is a superb description of just how complete. That it's beautifully written is just a bonus.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...ruined-choirs/

Something to think about though, there is a long tradition of the dominant party to follow such extraordinary control with an extraordinary bout of hubris.

Do you think this will be avoided?

Whenever Obama's policies were on the ballot but Obama wasn't, he got crushed.

~ Charles Krauthammer.

[fj1200]

If you still believe that polls were accurate with regard to politics and weren't being tampered with - especially this one published immediately before the election - then I can't help you.

I think it's abundantly clear to everyone that almost every single one were garbage. Gallup included.

The only poll, in retrospect, that had any idea of the true mood of the country was IBD/TIPP. The case could be argued that the LA Times had a handle on it, too, but those are the only ones.

I don't need any help. I'm the one who knows that a BO approval rating has nothing to do with the election. :shrug: As far as the polls none of them called it accurately because it's virtually impossible to gauge turnout. IBD and LA Times were wrong because they had trump winning the popular vote.

[NightTrain]

I don't need any help. I'm the one who knows that a BO approval rating has nothing to do with the election. :shrug:

Keep on shrugging, FJ. The polls supporting Obama and Hillary were way off, as in hard evidence of the election.

As far as the polls none of them called it accurately because it's virtually impossible to gauge turnout. IBD and LA Times were wrong because they had trump winning the popular vote.

News Flash : all your vaunted polls supposedly targeted active and 'likely' voters.

IBD and LA Times showed a likely Trump upset, where the others showed a Hillary blowout.

Continue to argue with your support of accurate polls, I'm done here. Any person that paid attention in the last week knows how incredibly wrong the thousands of other polls were.

[fj1200]

Keep on shrugging, FJ. The polls supporting Obama and Hillary were way off, as in hard evidence of the election.

I will keep shrugging, you're making something out of nothing. You made a point about before and after the election; I think the results of that poll didn't really change much. Some people still like BO, not sure why but they do.

News Flash : all your vaunted polls supposedly targeted active and 'likely' voters.

IBD and LA Times showed a likely Trump upset, where the others showed a Hillary blowout.

Continue to argue with your support of accurate polls, I'm done here. Any person that paid attention in the last week knows how incredibly wrong the thousands of other polls were.

I don't have any vaunted polls. None of them were accurate. You do know that trump lost the popular vote right?

[Black Diamond]

I will keep shrugging, you're making something out of nothing. You made a point about before and after the election; I think the results of that poll didn't really change much. Some people still like BO, not sure why but they do.



I don't have any vaunted polls. None of them were accurate. You do know that trump lost the popular vote right?

Polls in states he won were way off. Ohio Penn Florida Michigan Wisconsin and more.

Popular vote means nothing. And neither do national polls.
This election will be studied and contemplated for centuries. Assuming we have centuries.

[jimnyc]

The only poll, in retrospect, that had any idea of the true mood of the country was IBD/TIPP.

I don't remember who, but someone here on the board posted a poll or 60 from IBD and kept ranting about how they were the most accurate of all in the past few elections. I don't know who that was, but he deserves a beer for sure!