Results 1 to 15 of 24

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Russia, Moscow
    Posts
    2,812
    Thanks (Given)
    1365
    Thanks (Received)
    1426
    Likes (Given)
    477
    Likes (Received)
    176
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    1
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    2916542

    Default Stop Poking the Bear

    Stop Poking the Bear


    Give diplomacy a chance. Stop provoking Moscow.

    Robert W. Merry
    <time pubdate="" datetime="2016-12-24T21:15:12-05:00">December 24, 2016</time>

    Editor’s Note: TNI’s January/February 2017 print issue convened a symposium on the most significant national-security challenge awaiting the Trump administration. You can find all entries in the series here.
    THE GRAVEST crisis facing America and the West is also the most unnecessary: the ominous deterioration in relations with Russia. Far from the danger posed during the Cold War, Russia nonetheless remains positioned upon the crucial Eurasian heartland, a strategic bastion that cannot be ignored. It has always been, and remains, a potential threat to Europe, and that must always be borne in mind. And yet the most provocative actions in this relationship in recent years have come from Europe, NATO and America—against Russia. NATO, a military alliance, has expanded right up to the Russian border. It has deployed components of a missile-defense shield in Poland and Romania. NATO has flirted with allowing both Georgia and Ukraine, both traditionally part of Russia’s sphere of influence, into the Western alliance. U.S. officials undermined the democratically elected leader of Ukraine, whose government tilted toward Russia, and have taken actions bent on pulling Ukraine from Russia’s orbit. When Russia responded by securing Crimea, with its crucial harbor, and providing military support to rebels in eastern Ukraine who don’t want to be pulled Westward, the United States and Europe imposed debilitating economic sanctions.
    All this has Russian officials seething. Although Western opinion has demonized President Vladimir Putin as an aggressive, land-hungry autocrat, he is but one official. The Kremlin is replete with elites who believe their country now is so beleaguered by these Western encroachments that they want an aggressive pushback strategy, even if it means war.
    It could mean war. That would be a disaster for America and the West. For America, it would pull attention and resources away from much more serious strategic threats, most notably the rise of ISIS in the Middle East and the rise of China in Asia. For Europe, it likely would threaten the eastern nations liberated in 1989 after some forty-five years of Soviet domination.
    But, of all the 2016 presidential candidates, only Donald Trump embraced a policy prescription designed to reverse the West’s provocative eastward expansion, reduce tensions and test Russia’s true intentions.
    Trump should start with Ukraine, a land of crucial strategic significance to Russia, but of paltry strategic consequence to America. It is a tragically split country, with Western-oriented Ukrainians in the western regions and ethnic Russians in the eastern reaches. Russia has dealt with this delicate situation for decades; let it continue. Also, Russia’s annexation of Crimea should never be allowed to sour relations between that country and the West, as Crimea had been part of Russia for centuries until artificially severed by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. Besides, some 1.5 of its 2.3 million people are ethnic Russians. Let it go; withdraw the sanctions.
    Second, the president should assure Russia that the West has no designs on Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova or Belarus—or, for that matter, any other nations identified with the Orthodox Christian tradition. No NATO designs. But the West would go to war to prevent any Russian meddling in European lands traditionally identified with Western Christendom, most notably the Baltic states. They remain a crucial part of the Western sphere of influence.
    Third, the president should cease its insistence that Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad must go. The goal in Syria, as in Iraq, must be the defeat of ISIS, and the anti-Assad fervor merely gets in the way. It also gets in the way of sound relations with Russia, which has aligned itself with Assad and thus has maintained a tighter strategic focus in the region. America should do the same. The enemy is ISIS, not Assad.
    Fourth, throughout these diplomatic efforts, designed to assuage Russia’s fears and angers about the West’s eastward expansion, the United States should seek also to pull Russia away from its recent flirtation with China. Solid Russia-China relations are not in America’s interest. China is the country most powerfully positioned to challenge America’s role in the world by forcing it out of Asia and back to its perimeter stronghold of Hawaii. If U.S.-China tensions mounted, as seems likely within the next twenty years, it would be extremely unwise—indeed, foolhardy—for America to also have a hostile relationship with Russia.
    So give diplomacy a chance. End the Western provocations. Give the Russians some breathing room in their own neighborhood. And then, we can find out just how expansionist and threatening they really are. If it turns out that they want to be threatening even in the face of these conciliatory actions, then Western power, under American leadership, certainly is sufficient to handle the situation.
    Robert W. Merry is a contributing editor at the National Interest and an author of books on American history and foreign policy.
    Image: Vladimir Putin at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...8838?page=show
    Indifferent alike to praise or blame
    Give heed, O Muse, but to the voice Divine
    Fearing not injury, nor seeking fame,
    Nor casting pearls to swine.
    (A.Pushkin)

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    47,979
    Thanks (Given)
    34370
    Thanks (Received)
    26486
    Likes (Given)
    2386
    Likes (Received)
    10007
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    369 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475526

    Default

    You don't poke bears. You kill them. All.

    Will one of you Trumpiess dial him up and tell him I'm available for SecDef?
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    USA, Southern
    Posts
    27,683
    Thanks (Given)
    32441
    Thanks (Received)
    17532
    Likes (Given)
    3631
    Likes (Received)
    3156
    Piss Off (Given)
    21
    Piss Off (Received)
    2
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475258

    Default

    OBAMA SET THAT STAGE ON HIS WAY OUT, SO AS TO SHAFT TRUMP.
    Which is just more of obama's continued agenda of harming this nation he hates!
    The bastard, is one of the lowest forms of life on earth IMHO..
    Where is Zeus with a very well placed lightning bolt when we need him??

    Lucky for us, that Trump has already taken action, to avoid that trap the traitor obama and his allies set!
    AND PUTIN AS WELL, SAW IT FOR THE OBAMA TRAP THAT IT WAS/IS.....--Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    In my knickers
    Posts
    31,029
    Thanks (Given)
    13927
    Thanks (Received)
    15358
    Likes (Given)
    4384
    Likes (Received)
    5487
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    0
    Mentioned
    181 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475357

    Default

    Not to worry; see the "I'd like to see" thread, in Announcements.
    After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown

    “Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
    -Abbey

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    47,979
    Thanks (Given)
    34370
    Thanks (Received)
    26486
    Likes (Given)
    2386
    Likes (Received)
    10007
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    369 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    OBAMA SET THAT STAGE ON HIS WAY OUT, SO AS TO SHAFT TRUMP.
    Which is just more of obama's continued agenda of harming this nation he hates!
    The bastard, is one of the lowest forms of life on earth IMHO..
    Where is Zeus with a very well placed lightning bolt when we need him??

    Lucky for us, that Trump has already taken action, to avoid that trap the traitor obama and his allies set!
    AND PUTIN AS WELL, SAW IT FOR THE OBAMA TRAP THAT IT WAS/IS.....--Tyr
    I honestly don't believe it was aimed at Trump. He's been shafting the US since the day he took office. Just another day at the office for is useless a$$.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Russia, Moscow
    Posts
    2,812
    Thanks (Given)
    1365
    Thanks (Received)
    1426
    Likes (Given)
    477
    Likes (Received)
    176
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    1
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    2916542

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    OBAMA SET THAT STAGE ON HIS WAY OUT, SO AS TO SHAFT TRUMP.
    Which is just more of obama's continued agenda of harming this nation he hates!
    The bastard, is one of the lowest forms of life on earth IMHO..
    Where is Zeus with a very well placed lightning bolt when we need him??

    Lucky for us, that Trump has already taken action, to avoid that trap the traitor obama and his allies set!
    AND PUTIN AS WELL, SAW IT FOR THE OBAMA TRAP THAT IT WAS/IS.....--Tyr
    I gave not a piece of no propaganda. I've given the thoughts of an American. Then let us see..
    Last edited by Balu; 01-05-2017 at 06:16 PM.
    Indifferent alike to praise or blame
    Give heed, O Muse, but to the voice Divine
    Fearing not injury, nor seeking fame,
    Nor casting pearls to swine.
    (A.Pushkin)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    47,979
    Thanks (Given)
    34370
    Thanks (Received)
    26486
    Likes (Given)
    2386
    Likes (Received)
    10007
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    369 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Balu View Post
    I gave not a piece of no propaganda. I've given the thoughts of an American. Then let us see..
    Everything you post is propaganda to us. How many times do I need to point that out? For someone who thinks he's so smart, the obvious is kicking your ass.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    16,760
    Thanks (Given)
    94
    Thanks (Received)
    1751
    Likes (Given)
    7
    Likes (Received)
    165
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    13
    Mentioned
    54 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    9306080

    Default

    We will stop poking the bear when the bear stops spying on us.
    We won't even talk about the doped up bears that have cheating over the last few decades of international athletic competition.


  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Russia, Moscow
    Posts
    2,812
    Thanks (Given)
    1365
    Thanks (Received)
    1426
    Likes (Given)
    477
    Likes (Received)
    176
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    1
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    2916542

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    We will stop poking the bear when the bear stops spying on us.
    You must be joking...
    You want to dismiss all YOUR Intelligence Service and its officers to convince us stop spying on you, or you think that we all are from Texas?
    Indifferent alike to praise or blame
    Give heed, O Muse, but to the voice Divine
    Fearing not injury, nor seeking fame,
    Nor casting pearls to swine.
    (A.Pushkin)

  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Russia, Moscow
    Posts
    2,812
    Thanks (Given)
    1365
    Thanks (Received)
    1426
    Likes (Given)
    477
    Likes (Received)
    176
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    1
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    2916542

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gabosaurus View Post
    We won't even talk about the doped up bears that have cheating over the last few decades of international athletic competition.
    Indifferent alike to praise or blame
    Give heed, O Muse, but to the voice Divine
    Fearing not injury, nor seeking fame,
    Nor casting pearls to swine.
    (A.Pushkin)

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    USA, Southern
    Posts
    27,683
    Thanks (Given)
    32441
    Thanks (Received)
    17532
    Likes (Given)
    3631
    Likes (Received)
    3156
    Piss Off (Given)
    21
    Piss Off (Received)
    2
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475258

    Default

    Just my little observation but maybe this thread should be moved from the lounge, since is kinda went far south.
    Why would anybody here not expect Balu , a retired Russian officer, to defend his nation and do same as we would as we are??
    Move my post if need be but I say- we had damn well better start looking at China as the great threat!
    They only created and manufactured an anti-aircraft carrier ballistic missile designed specifically to destroy-AMERICAN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS!
    Anybody that may want to argue that my reasoning is wrong on this about China being the greater future threat, start a thread or go to the cage.
    Or just move this post there.... I am game...
    I always look for the greater threat myself , even in real life and its always stood me in good stead!
    China and Islam are the great future threats! -Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Posts
    47,979
    Thanks (Given)
    34370
    Thanks (Received)
    26486
    Likes (Given)
    2386
    Likes (Received)
    10007
    Piss Off (Given)
    0
    Piss Off (Received)
    12
    Mentioned
    369 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475526

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Just my little observation but maybe this thread should be moved from the lounge, since is kinda went far south.
    Why would anybody here not expect Balu , a retired Russian officer, to defend his nation and do same as we would as we are??
    Move my post if need be but I say- we had damn well better start looking at China as the great threat!
    They only created and manufactured an anti-aircraft carrier ballistic missile designed specifically to destroy-AMERICAN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS!
    Anybody that may want to argue that my reasoning is wrong on this about China being the greater future threat, start a thread or go to the cage.
    Or just move this post there.... I am game...
    I always look for the greater threat myself , even in real life and its always stood me in good stead!
    China and Islam are the great future threats! -Tyr
    Little late to this party, huh, tyr? I had another mod look at it earlier. I won't mod my own fights.

    Guess who else hasn't shown? I don't care that he defends his country. I expect nothing less. I DO care about him talking down to people. And if he's going to bring it, then bring it. I stand and fight. I expect the same from anyone claiming to be a warrior.
    Last edited by Gunny; 01-06-2017 at 10:41 PM.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

  13. #13
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    USA, Southern
    Posts
    27,683
    Thanks (Given)
    32441
    Thanks (Received)
    17532
    Likes (Given)
    3631
    Likes (Received)
    3156
    Piss Off (Given)
    21
    Piss Off (Received)
    2
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475258

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Little late to this party, huh, tyr? I had another mod look at it earlier. I won't mod my own fights.

    Guess who else hasn't shown? I don't care that he defends his country. I expect nothing less. I DO care about him talking down to people. And if he's going to bring it, then bring it. I stand and fight. I expect the same from anyone claiming to be a warrior.
    I have no problem with you guys battling. I have no problem with Balu defending his country as we do that in spades ourselves.
    I just wanted to point out that Russia is not now our top enemy.
    Thus, I take no side in this battle you guys are waging.

    I stand and fight. I expect the same from anyone claiming to be a warrior.
    ^^ Well said! As does every ---True Southern Man--- my friend. We agree as we are both Southern born and bred.

    Balu, does what he thinks best, so I am no part of his attitude or his posts here, unless he mentions me specifically or comments to me directly- as he often does in the Creative Writing sub-forum -about my poetry.

    Myself, I find him very interesting and a great source to learn from...
    So we have private chats and each learn from our discussions... Know this, he is a very intelligent man..

    Carry on.. I am just clearing up my previous comment and what I meant about our true top enemies being China and Islam.. , -Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    47,599
    Thanks (Given)
    23850
    Thanks (Received)
    17373
    Likes (Given)
    9628
    Likes (Received)
    6080
    Piss Off (Given)
    85
    Piss Off (Received)
    10
    Mentioned
    204 Post(s)
    Rep Power
    21475522

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    I have no problem with you guys battling. I have no problem with Balu defending his country as we do that in spades ourselves.
    I just wanted to point out that Russia is not now our top enemy.
    Thus, I take no side in this battle you guys are waging.



    ^^ Well said! As does every ---True Southern Man--- my friend. We agree as we are both Southern born and bred.

    Balu, does what he thinks best, so I am no part of his attitude or his posts here, unless he mentions me specifically or comments to me directly- as he often does in the Creative Writing sub-forum -about my poetry.

    Myself, I find him very interesting and a great source to learn from...
    So we have private chats and each learn from our discussions... Know this, he is a very intelligent man..

    Carry on.. I am just clearing up my previous comment and what I meant about our true top enemies being China and Islam.. , -Tyr
    Tyr, I'm not going to argue right or wrong here, just want to throw some stuff out.

    You mention Islam, for good reasons.

    Remembering the USSR and the system of government, local and geopolitical during the Cold War, how did they engage in that War? Who were their proxies?

    Syria, Iran, Turkey, are three prominent allies of Russia.

    Putin seems and has for since arriving on the world's stage, very much wanting to return to at minimum the 'greatness' achieved under the USSR regime.


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Debate Policy - Political Forums