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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    Constantinople is on the European side. Istanbul is across the strait in mainland Turkey which is in Asia technically.

    I hope like hell you didn't waste a portion of your life looking up that video.
    GET OFF MY LAWN

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    Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

    http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/...u-can-keep-it/

    Constitution Series: A Republic, If You Can Keep It
    It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.
    “The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults.” De Tocqueville



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

    http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/...u-can-keep-it/



    It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.
    Greatest threat to this nation in regards to it possibly losing the Republic -is the dem party. A tragic fact(solid evidence of internal decay!)..
    If they could have pulled it off, the dem traitors, would have installed obama for life, IMHO. -Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Greatest threat to this nation in regards to it possibly losing the Republic -is the dem party. A tragic fact(solid evidence of internal decay!)..
    If they could have pulled it off, the dem traitors, would have installed obama for life, IMHO. -Tyr
    Not just the democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Funny how things 'jump out' at us, when we've been thinking about something related.

    http://tennesseestar.com/2017/04/03/...u-can-keep-it/



    It is brief, doesn't go into the particular influencers, (philosophers in the main), who helped construct the thinking of the Framers, but the gist of what transpired is there.
    Apache, Cherokee, what do you know about them? - These are brands of helicopters and cars. The monuments to gone Civilization, to those who were not lucky.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Balu View Post
    Apache, Cherokee, what do you know about them? - These are brands of helicopters and cars. The monuments to gone Civilization, to those who were not lucky.



    What would you like to know avot them? Anything specific? They're names on cars.

    The Apache are from the Southwestern US and northern Mexico. The Cherokee are from GA-Carolina. They were dragged to OK by the US government.

    You want to discuss this without a bunch of dumbass pictures? I guarantee you the school bell rang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Constantinople is on the European side. Istanbul is across the strait in mainland Turkey which is in Asia technically.

    I hope like hell you didn't waste a portion of your life looking up that video.
    Constantinople does not exist, it is still Istanbul, and no video this will not change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruslanbag43 View Post
    Constantinople does not exist, it is still Istanbul, and no video this will not change.
    I was talking history. Ilved in Turkey. I'm aware Constantinople does not exist any longer. My point is more that Turkey bridges the gap between Asia and Europe in that region. It's a major crossroad to the Black Sea and the Med. It has been strategically important since forever. The Persians tried to use it to invade Greece thousands of years ago.

    Here's a weird factoid for you .. I lived in both Turkey and Greece as a kid. They hate each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I think that Western Civilization is being lost because generations of those that have benefitted from it have decided that it was not worth teaching the next generations about what was right about it, then emphasizing what wrongs were done. None was put into the contexts of the times. Today it's just not being taught at all.

    I guess I'm not alone thinking about Western Civ:

    https://www.the-american-interest.co...n-of-the-west/

    The Deconstruction of the West
    ANDREW A. MICHTA
    The greatest threat to the liberal international order comes not from Russia, China, or jihadist terror but from the self-induced deconstruction of Western culture.


    To say that the world has been getting progressively less stable and more dangerous is to state the obvious. But amidst the volumes written on the causes of this ongoing systemic change, one key driver barely gets mentioned: the fracturing of the collective West. And yet the unraveling of the idea of the West has degraded our ability to respond with a clear strategy to protect our regional and global interests. It has weakened the NATO alliance and changed not just the global security calculus but now also the power equilibrium in Europe. If anyone doubts the scope and severity of the problem, he or she should ask why it has been so difficult of late to develop a consensus between the United States and Europe on such key issues as defense, trade, migration, and how to deal with Russia, China, and Islamic jihadists.


    The problem confronting the West today stems not from a shortage of power, but rather from the inability to build consensus on the shared goals and interests in whose name that power ought to be applied. The growing instability in the international system is not, as some argue, due to the rise of China as an aspiring global power, the resurgence of Russia as a systemic spoiler, the aspirations of Iran for regional hegemony, or the rogue despotism of a nuclear-armed North Korea; the rise and relative decline of states is nothing new, and it doesn’t necessarily entail instability. The West’s problem today is also not mainly the result of the economic decline of the United States or the European Union, for while both have had to deal with serious economic issues since the 2008 meltdown, they remain the two largest economies in the world, whose combined wealth and technological prowess are unmatched. Nor is the increasing global instability due to a surge in Islamic jihadism across the globe, for despite the horrors the jihadists have wrought upon the peoples of the Middle East and North Africa, and the attendant anxiety now pervading Europe and America, they have nowhere near the capabilities needed to confront great powers.


    The problem, rather, is the West’s growing inability to agree on how it should be defined as a civilization. At the core of the deepening dysfunction in the West is the self-induced deconstruction of Western culture and, with it, the glue that for two centuries kept Europe and the United States at the center of the international system. The nation-state has been arguably the most enduring and successful idea that Western culture has produced. It offers a recipe to achieve security, economic growth, and individual freedom at levels unmatched in human history. This concept of a historically anchored and territorially defined national homeland, having absorbed the principles of liberal democracy, the right to private property and liberty bound by the rule of law, has been the core building block of the West’s global success and of whatever “order” has ever existed in the so-called international order. Since 1945 it has been the most successful Western “export” across the globe, with the surge of decolonization driven by the quintessentially American precept of the right to self-determination of peoples, a testimony to its enduring appeal. Though challenged by fascism, Nazism, and communism, the West emerged victorious, for when confronted with existential danger, it defaulted to shared, deeply held values and the fervent belief that what its culture and heritage represented were worth fighting, and if necessary even dying, to preserve. The West prevailed then because it was confident that on balance it offered the best set of ideas, values, and principles for others to emulate.

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