hell and death are already gone; they are no more

[SassyLady]

Dmp ... no hell, no death? If so, what does the alien telescope show is next?

[Drummond]

I believe that the Universe was created by God. That the Universe is an entity functioning much as a machine does. It was created. It has design parameters, and those parameters are the laws it operates by.

Time is one such defining parameter of the Universal 'machine'. It is a function of it, possibly analogous to the need a car has for fuel ... time lets the Universe 'run' from beginning to end.

It stands to reason that if time is a function of the Universe, and God created the Universe, then, God is outside of time (.. unless you somehow believe God to be limited by, and is a product of, His own creation ??). If God has any defining 'time' within which He operates, it would of necessity be separate and distinct from the timestream the Universe experiences.

I believe that God exists, and the very fact of the Universe's existence is outright proof of God (how else COULD the Universe have ever come into being ?). But, this would be a God entirely outside of any of the Universe's limitations, existing separately from it, as the owner of a car exists separately from his vehicle. We have no conception of the way God exists, because anything beyond our Universe and our experience of it is entirely alien to anything we can conceive of.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I believe that the Universe was created by God. That the Universe is an entity functioning much as a machine does. It was created. It has design parameters, and those parameters are the laws it operates by.

Time is one such defining parameter of the Universal 'machine'. It is a function of it, possibly analogous to the need a car has for fuel ... time lets the Universe 'run' from beginning to end.

It stands to reason that if time is a function of the Universe, and God created the Universe, then, God is outside of time (.. unless you somehow believe God to be limited by, and is a product of, His own creation ??). If God has any defining 'time' within which He operates, it would of necessity be separate and distinct from the timestream the Universe experiences.

I believe that God exists, and the very fact of the Universe's existence is outright proof of God (how else COULD the Universe have ever come into being ?). But, this would be a God entirely outside of any of the Universe's limitations, existing separately from it, as the owner of a car exists separately from his vehicle. We have no conception of the way God exists, because anything beyond our Universe and our experience of it is entirely alien to anything we can conceive of.

Man in state of flesh and bone can not truly understand the magnitude of God's power, love and design, AND INTENDED PURPOSE IN OUR CREATION AND HIS ALLOWING OUR FALL... IMHO.
Yet by faith we may have eternal life and be ready to understand once we are free from sin and the darkness that welcomes it and its negative results. Free from sin by grace of God, not by any of our good deeds but rather by faith in the truth of the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, as PAYMENT FOR OUR SINS....-Tyr

[Gunny]

Its an example to show the relative nature of time - I can talk slower if that helps.

Time is based on who is observing. "Now" is relative to the observer. So is "Then" and so is "Was". that's the point of the illustration

Perhaps you SHOULD slow down ... But not on my account. I know EXACTLY what you are saying. You are attempting to make an intellectual argument where none exists. Time is relative and based on an a Man-made calendar that uses the Earth's rotation of the Sun as it's primary rule.

Anything beyond that is pure conjecture limited by Man's intellect and we --as Man -- don't have the answer.

[aboutime]

Time is counted by the speed of light. Think about it.

Ask yourself this simple question. If you are traveling at the speed of light in a supersonic aircraft at 186,000 feet per second, and you turn on a Flashlight.
DOES THE LIGHT COME ON?