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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Holy Hell! Trump won! Handily. Legally. He got the job!

    When Obama won, the 'right' extreme was full of things like Kenya! Muslim! Birth Certificate! Obama laughed and ignored and pushed through Obamacare. They kept at it for years, he did not respond-sometimes surrogates made fun of the noisemakers, having them go crazy. Trump should have treated the crazies the same. He didn't.

    Then he moved from the crazies to going nutters on intel community, media!, going full blown crazy over leaks, while apparently going after his own staff. You all keep talking about 'Obama leftovers' but why doesn't Trump have those people gone and replaced? That might be a better use of his time than tweeting, don't you think?

    Well guess where the leaks are likely coming from? Staff and intel folks. It's Washington, the only thing there's more of than bars are reporters.
    And then you may want to tell the democrats who are trying to push the idea trump and Putin stole the election what you said im your first sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    It's not her party.
    As the saying goes, "I didn't leave the party, the party left me." Bottom line is that I found myself in the strange position of seeing a train wreck was coming, but just couldn't get on it. I pretty quickly realized that Trump would likely win, though it seemed impossible. That he actually won POTUS position, well that was something.

    I just wish he'd be the person so many thought he would. I didn't get 'it,' but truly hoped I'd have to say that I would vote for him in 2020. No, I didn't expect him to be gracious or act 'Presidential,' but did think he'd get it together enough to get things done. It may still happen, but it doesn't look like it now.

    Last night a letter was released from WH in Trump's name, basically said that he hoped that the special counsel would find, as he knows is the case, that there was no collusion with his campaign and Russians and it would be done in an expedited manner.

    Today he's calling it a witch hunt on twitter and whining at the unfairness of it all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    And then you may want to tell the democrats who are trying to push the idea trump and Putin stole the election what you said im your first sentence.
    and Trump and his core should be thanking the appointment of a special counsel, no matter how feigned the thanks, that there is this chance to prove them liars.

    Again, I don't think this should have happened, but one cannot be tossing crap the way Trump does and be shocked when other branches assert their 'powers,' no matter how unfair it may seem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    As the saying goes, "I didn't leave the party, the party left me." Bottom line is that I found myself in the strange position of seeing a train wreck was coming, but just couldn't get on it. I pretty quickly realized that Trump would likely win, though it seemed impossible. That he actually won POTUS position, well that was something.

    I just wish he'd be the person so many thought he would. I didn't get 'it,' but truly hoped I'd have to say that I would vote for him in 2020. No, I didn't expect him to be gracious or act 'Presidential,' but did think he'd get it together enough to get things done. It may still happen, but it doesn't look like it now.

    Last night a letter was released from WH in Trump's name, basically said that he hoped that the special counsel would find, as he knows is the case, that there was no collusion with his campaign and Russians and it would be done in an expedited manner.

    Today he's calling it a witch hunt on twitter and whining at the unfairness of it all.
    His tweet is actually correct this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Sorry Gunny, you do not get to tell me that I can only vote for one of two, when there are over a dozen on the ballot. I would not vote for someone I thought would not be a good president, which was either of the 'two' candidates you by some unknown power, think you can decree.

    Facing the reality of one of those two being elected, I chose to vote for 'not one of those two.' No, wouldn't want that person elected, it was totally a lose/lose election choice.

    Who's fault was that? Thank gosh we don't have a Rubio or Cruz or Walker or any of the others. We got Trump-but not with my vote.

    Oh for the record, I don't give a crap whether or not anyone else give a crap about my principles.

    You keep voting for people you don't like, it makes tons of sense.
    I didn't tell you who to vote for. You can toss that red herring out when you want. I DO have as much right to my opinion as you do yours. You can also forget THAT particular "reality" argument. Reality is you gambled with putting Hillary in office. You make some imortance of "you voted". You as well not have.

    ANd if you're feeling lonely in the boat, don't. My daughter voted for the same socialist moron you did.

    And if you didn't give a crap, you wouldn't bother putting them on the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Links to republican congressmen and senators saying "Muslim", "Kenyan"" birth certificate" I'll wait.
    I specified where the catcalls were coming from, not chasing your strawman. Trump certainly enjoyed getting on radio or TV to speak about those tidbits. Shocking that there are Obama supporters that harbor hostility, much like so many of Trumps supporters are getting so tired of it.

    I have important reasons for wanting Trump to lead the country successfully-we all do. What I don't have is a personal reason for defending indefensible behaviors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I specified where the catcalls were coming from, not chasing your strawman. Trump certainly enjoyed getting on radio or TV to speak about those tidbits. Shocking that there are Obama supporters that harbor hostility, much like so many of Trumps supporters are getting so tired of it.

    I have important reasons for wanting Trump to lead the country successfully-we all do. What I don't have is a personal reason for defending indefensible behaviors.
    How is it a straw man? Dems are pushing the idea trumps election was illegitimate. No different from Birthers saying Obama's election was illegitimate. Difference is I don't remember republican members of congress and senate saying Obama was illegitimate, but today democrat members of congress and senate s imply it left and right about trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    How is it a straw man? Dems are pushing the idea trumps election was illegitimate. No different from Birthers saying Obama's election was illegitimate. Difference is I don't remember republican members of congress and senate saying Obama was illegitimate, but today democrats imply it left and right about trump.
    I think one would need to look at the type of people who made up the majority at the time of the Republican Party. They would not be applauding congressional members that acted the way Schumer, Waters, Pelosi, etc., are. That's not true of the far left. It may no longer be true of many of those now a majority or at least significant segment of the Republican Party.

    I'm pretty sure that there is now a schism amongst those that consider themselves 'Republicans.' That will eventually sort itself out.


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    And while I agree with trumps tweet about a witch hunt, the tweeting should stop. congress should refuse to pass anything until trump closes his fucking account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    And while I agree with trumps tweet about a witch hunt, the tweeting should stop. congress should refuse to pass anything until trump closes his fucking account.
    Unlike Trump's EO regarding immigration and his firing of Comey, I'm pretty sure that your suggestion would not be legal, it would be a first amendment violation.

    He should do so because it's the right thing to do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Unlike Trump's EO regarding immigration and his firing of Comey, I'm pretty sure that your suggestion would not be legal, it would be a first amendment violation.

    He should do so because it's the right thing to do.
    I was afraid of minor details like that.

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    I don't like the idea of the Special Counsel because, like several people said, once they are appointed they will feel like they have to find something. However, given that one was appointed, I think Mueller is a good choice. Members of both parties are saying they respect him and he will be good.

    If it does nothing more than get the investigation to come to a conclusion within a few 3 months, then I think it is a good thing.

    I am conservative and support Trump, but would be fine with a fair investigation, even if it finds something terrible and even if it causes Trump to resign. I can live with that. I don't think the same can be said about Dems, though. I would bet the farm that if the investigation concludes in Trump's favor, then Dems will howl like banshees, say "it's not fair" and "its a coverup" about a million times, call for Mueller's head (even though they are praising him now), and start a new bunch of protests demanding that a new replacement special counsel be appointed. Dems are such hypocritical twits!
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