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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Then other core members and yourself will be happy to know he is blasting away on Twitter this morning. No stopping the digging. I'm sad for the country.
    Well it is a witch hunt. Do you think Obama would have started this probe to begin with if Hillary had won ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Then other core members and yourself will be happy to know he is blasting away on Twitter this morning. No stopping the digging. I'm sad for the country.
    Me and what other "core members"?

    My point is zooming over your head same as it did with your pointless vote for that moron from NM. This is an easy read. The left/Dems and and anti-Trumpies are going to keep a constant 3-ring circus running for 3 more years, distracting everyone from business.

    You're damned right I wouldn't take the BS. I'm sick of it on this board. I can't imagine if I was President on the world stage. I wouldn't take this bullshit laying down either.

    You say you feel sorry for this country; yet, you have done what you can to undermine keeping the real threat to it out. You voted 3rd party. And you can't wait to jump on every accusation against Trump. Then you say but you hope he succeeds. Not with support like he's getting. He'll be lucky to survive.

    So whose side are you REALLY on?

    This isn't about Trump. I can't stand him personally. You never seem to acknowledge that glaringly obvious point. THE Trumpies don't discuss him with me. This is about keeping idiots like Pelosi, Waters, Rangel, Hillary et al and their fascist ideology out of power. I'l say it again .... THAT is the big picture and supercedes petty little personal differences because THAT is what will save this. Giving voice to the opposition does not.
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    Mueller has an impressive resume :


    • Born August 7, 1944 in New York City


    • Graduated from Princeton University in 1966 and received a master's degree in international relations from New York University the following year


    • Served as a Marine Corps officer in Vietnam for three years, receiving a Bronze Star and Purple Heart, among other medals


    • Graduated from the University of Virginia School of Law in 1973


    • Worked for 12 years (1976-1988) as an investigator and prosecutor for U.S. Attorney offices in Northern California and Boston


    • Joined the Justice Department in 1989 as an assistant to then-Attorney General Richard Thornburgh. During his three-year tenure leading the DOJ's criminal division, Mueller oversaw the prosecutions of Panamanian dictator.


    • Manuel Noriega and crime boss John Gotti, as well as the investigation into the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103.


    • After two years as a partner at the Boston law firm of Hale and Dorr, Mueller rejoined public service in 1995 and went on to work for the U.S. Attorney's offices in Washington D.C. and Northern California.


    • Was nominated to be FBI Director by President George W. Bush on July 5, 2001 and officially assumed that position on Sept. 4. During his tenure, Mueller helped turn the FBI from a criminal investigative bureau into a counterterrorism and counterintelligence unit.


    • In 2004, Mueller, along with then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey, threatened to resign over the Bush administration's program of warrantless surveillance. Bush ultimately agreed to changes in the program and both men stayed on.


    • Mueller left the FBI on Sept. 4, 2013, having served two years beyond his ten-year term at the request of President Barack Obama. He is the second longest-serving FBI director in the bureau's history, behind only J. Edgar Hoover.


    • Since leaving the FBI, Mueller has been a partner at the Washington D.C. law firm WilmerHale. He was expected to resign from the firm after being appointed special counsel to the FBI's Russia investigation.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...l-counsel.html


    He's handled some very large & complex cases and has demonstrated that he'll call them as he sees them. Since we're going this route, I don't think anyone else would be more qualified.

    The democrats had better have their house in order, because that's where this is all going to lead back to - and just in time for the 2018 elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Me and what other "core members"?

    My point is zooming over your head same as it did with your pointless vote for that moron from NM. This is an easy read. The left/Dems and and anti-Trumpies are going to keep a constant 3-ring circus running for 3 more years, distracting everyone from business.

    You're damned right I wouldn't take the BS. I'm sick of it on this board. I can't imagine if I was President on the world stage. I wouldn't take this bullshit laying down either.

    You say you feel sorry for this country; yet, you have done what you can to undermine keeping the real threat to it out. You voted 3rd party. And you can't wait to jump on every accusation against Trump. Then you say but you hope he succeeds. Not with support like he's getting. He'll be lucky to survive.

    So whose side are you REALLY on?

    This isn't about Trump. I can't stand him personally. You never seem to acknowledge that glaringly obvious point. THE Trumpies don't discuss him with me. This is about keeping idiots like Pelosi, Waters, Rangel, Hillary et al and their fascist ideology out of power. I'l say it again .... THAT is the big picture and supercedes petty little personal differences because THAT is what will save this. Giving voice to the opposition does not.

    I don't like Trump, thought he would cause many problems, which he is. With that said, I want him to succeed in policies. That can't happen when he makes it all about him, which he does. He picks fights at every turn, even when it's unnecessary like Comey. He fired him, fine. He just couldn't shut up about him. So, he got a response, shocking. If he did the same to you bet it would have been much more than Comey did.

    You only think you detest him, etc., other than Rick, who goes out of his way to find items he uses to sell the positives, you are the biggest defender. Sorry, I don't vote for someone when I think they'll be a disaster. That is what I thought of Trump. That is what I thought of Hillary. Thus I voted for someone who wouldn't win, but I still voted. Let the statisticians keep track of how many are starting to say, "Pox on all of them."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I don't like Trump, thought he would cause many problems, which he is. With that said, I want him to succeed in policies. That can't happen when he makes it all about him, which he does. He picks fights at every turn, even when it's unnecessary like Comey. He fired him, fine. He just couldn't shut up about him. So, he got a response, shocking. If he did the same to you bet it would have been much more than Comey did.

    You only think you detest him, etc., other than Rick, who goes out of his way to find items he uses to sell the positives, you are the biggest defender. Sorry, I don't vote for someone when I think they'll be a disaster. That is what I thought of Trump. That is what I thought of Hillary. Thus I voted for someone who wouldn't win, but I still voted. Let the statisticians keep track of how many are starting to say, "Pox on all of them."
    Where exactly do I defend Trump? Is that what they call calling bullshit against bogus allegations these days?

    Doesn't matter if you voted. Your vote was selfish and could have cost an election that put Hillary in office. That is you putting your idealism ahead of the big picture, the welfare of this Nation, and may very well have cost us this Nation as we know it in its entirety. That's making this Nation all about YOU.

    Aiding and abetting unproven accusations pulled out of the a-hole du jour is hardly wanting Trump to succeed.

    Make no mistake ... I do NOT defend the man. This isn't about Trump to me. It's about squashing Dems and keeping them out. When I got handed a weapon the Gunny didn't ask whether or not I wanted that particular one. I had to use what was given me.

    We got Trump. Get over it. I think he's being stupid. I;d blow off all y'all's accusations and continue to move forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Where exactly do I defend Trump? Is that what they call calling bullshit against bogus allegations these days?

    Doesn't matter if you voted. Your vote was selfish and could have cost an election that put Hillary in office. That is you putting your idealism ahead of the big picture, the welfare of this Nation, and may very well have cost us this Nation as we know it in its entirety. That's making this Nation all about YOU.

    Aiding and abetting unproven accusations pulled out of the a-hole du jour is hardly wanting Trump to succeed.

    Make no mistake ... I do NOT defend the man. This isn't about Trump to me. It's about squashing Dems and keeping them out. When I got handed a weapon the Gunny didn't ask whether or not I wanted that particular one. I had to use what was given me.

    We got Trump. Get over it. I think he's being stupid. I;d blow off all y'all's accusations and continue to move forward.
    I did not vote out of selfishness, that would be someone claiming Trump was terrible, but would vote for him to spite others. I don't think though that is what you did. You like many things about him, you've defended him when only the core doesn't recognize he's not gone off the reservation, he's blowing it up.

    You are trying to split hairs when saying you don't support the 'man', it's a man that is doing what he's doing and he now is President of the United States of America. You helped elect him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I did not vote out of selfishness, that would be someone claiming Trump was terrible, but would vote for him to spite others. I don't think though that is what you did. You like many things about him, you've defended him when only the core doesn't recognize he's not gone off the reservation, he's blowing it up.

    You are trying to split hairs when saying you don't support the 'man', it's a man that is doing what he's doing and he now is President of the United States of America. You helped elect him.
    And the left is innocent in this matter? Every time a dem gets a microphone in his/her face, the words collision and Russia are uttered. Then coverup. This was begun by Obama in an attempt to delegitimize the election of trump and the presidency of trump. And the dems picked up the torch after he left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    And the left is innocent in this matter? Every time a dem gets a microphone in his/her face, the words collision and Russia are uttered. Then coverup. This was begun by Obama in an attempt to delegitimize the election of trump and the presidency of trump. And the dems picked up the torch after he left.
    No, the left is certainly firing up the Democrats in Congress, they are acting against the interests of the country. I give them no quarter, I foolishly expected better from the more 'logical' right. My bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I did not vote out of selfishness, that would be someone claiming Trump was terrible, but would vote for him to spite others. I don't think though that is what you did. You like many things about him, you've defended him when only the core doesn't recognize he's not gone off the reservation, he's blowing it up.

    You are trying to split hairs when saying you don't support the 'man', it's a man that is doing what he's doing and he now is President of the United States of America. You helped elect him.
    Sure you did. The choice was Trump or Hillary. Hillary is evil. She had to be kept out no matter what or the Supreme Court and who knows what else would have fallen to the Dems. You threw your vote away for selfish reasons claiming to stand on some principle nobody gives a crap about. You only get to have those principles with freedom which the left wants to take away. I voted for McCain and I can't stand the idiot.

    I'm not splitting hairs. I support the position. I'm not a civilian like you. You salute the rank, not the man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    No, the left is certainly firing up the Democrats in Congress, they are acting against the interests of the country. I give them no quarter, I foolishly expected better from the more 'logical' right. My bad.
    Really? Seems to me if you expect better, you should act better. Trump is being attcked by the Dems AND the right. And I DO agree in expecting better. I expect better of people than sniping at the representative of their own party along with a bunch of loser Dems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Sure you did. The choice was Trump or Hillary. Hillary is evil. She had to be kept out no matter what or the Supreme Court and who knows what else would have fallen to the Dems. You threw your vote away for selfish reasons claiming to stand on some principle nobody gives a crap about. You only get to have those principles with freedom which the left wants to take away. I voted for McCain and I can't stand the idiot.

    I'm not splitting hairs. I support the position. I'm not a civilian like you. You salute the rank, not the man.

    Sorry Gunny, you do not get to tell me that I can only vote for one of two, when there are over a dozen on the ballot. I would not vote for someone I thought would not be a good president, which was either of the 'two' candidates you by some unknown power, think you can decree.

    Facing the reality of one of those two being elected, I chose to vote for 'not one of those two.' No, wouldn't want that person elected, it was totally a lose/lose election choice.

    Who's fault was that? Thank gosh we don't have a Rubio or Cruz or Walker or any of the others. We got Trump-but not with my vote.

    Oh for the record, I don't give a crap whether or not anyone else give a crap about my principles.

    You keep voting for people you don't like, it makes tons of sense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    No, the left is certainly firing up the Democrats in Congress, they are acting against the interests of the country. I give them no quarter, I foolishly expected better from the more 'logical' right. My bad.
    Yeah but you keep saying this is trumps fault. Obama started this crap.

    And imagine if in 2009, every time a republican had a microphone in their face they said the words "Obama", "Kenya" and "birth certificate" somewhere in every sentence.

    Hell. Maybe they should have done that. Maybe we wouldn't have Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Really? Seems to me if you expect better, you should act better. Trump is being attcked by the Dems AND the right. And I DO agree in expecting better. I expect better of people than sniping at the representative of their own party along with a bunch of loser Dems.
    It's not her party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Yeah but you keep saying this is trumps fault. Obama started this crap.

    And imagine if in 2009, every time a republican had a microphone in their face they said the words "Obama", "Kenya" and "birth certificate" somewhere in every sentence.

    Hell. Maybe they should have done that. Maybe we wouldn't have Obamacare.
    Holy Hell! Trump won! Handily. Legally. He got the job!

    When Obama won, the 'right' extreme was full of things like Kenya! Muslim! Birth Certificate! Obama laughed and ignored and pushed through Obamacare. They kept at it for years, he did not respond-sometimes surrogates made fun of the noisemakers, having them go crazy. Trump should have treated the crazies the same. He didn't.

    Then he moved from the crazies to going nutters on intel community, media!, going full blown crazy over leaks, while apparently going after his own staff. You all keep talking about 'Obama leftovers' but why doesn't Trump have those people gone and replaced? That might be a better use of his time than tweeting, don't you think?

    Well guess where the leaks are likely coming from? Staff and intel folks. It's Washington, the only thing there's more of than bars are reporters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Holy Hell! Trump won! Handily. Legally. He got the job!

    When Obama won, the 'right' extreme was full of things like Kenya! Muslim! Birth Certificate! Obama laughed and ignored and pushed through Obamacare. They kept at it for years, he did not respond-sometimes surrogates made fun of the noisemakers, having them go crazy. Trump should have treated the crazies the same. He didn't.

    Then he moved from the crazies to going nutters on intel community, media!, going full blown crazy over leaks, while apparently going after his own staff. You all keep talking about 'Obama leftovers' but why doesn't Trump have those people gone and replaced? That might be a better use of his time than tweeting, don't you think?

    Well guess where the leaks are likely coming from? Staff and intel folks. It's Washington, the only thing there's more of than bars are reporters.
    Links to republican congressmen and senators saying "Muslim", "Kenyan"" birth certificate" I'll wait.

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