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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    Then your postings are fair game? OK. I was trying to be respectful. And I'd suggest oh bullying one that if you think *I'm* extreme, you haven't been out much.
    *shrugs shoulders* I rest my case with the book burning statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    We were talking about making libraries more hospitable places for families. That's a funding issue.

    As for "porn", the problem is the filters. How do you filter porn while not filtering standard adult reading or viewing material? With all respect, while I think children should be protected, I think their parents should monitor what they're doing online, especially in a library and I don't think available material should be limited to what's appropriate for my 9 year old.

    You have a suggestion for balancing those interests?

    *Edit* Also, what constitutes "porn". Mapplethorpe's pictures? Michaelangelo's David? Botero's work?
    Actually I'd like to hear your definiton of porn and where you draw the line regarding porn in public.

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    I guess it's a lib-con thing. Cons like trying to create norms that generally help society as a group whereas libs just like to bitch about where cons draw the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Actually I'd like to hear your definiton of porn and where you draw the line regarding porn in public.
    The Supreme Court can't even define porn and you want me to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    The Supreme Court can't even define porn and you want me to?
    Yes----!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Yes----!
    Complain to Potter Stewart.

    Seriously. What constitutes porn is different for different people and, to be fair, something "pornographic" if used in a context, say for academic work (I know... I know, just saying, so bear with me).

    And, mostly, who DECIDES what constitutes porn?

    Is Tropic of Cancer porn? Valley of the Dolls? Apocalypse Now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    Complain to Potter Stewart.

    Seriously. What constitutes porn is different for different people and, to be fair, something "pornographic" if used in a context, say for academic work (I know... I know, just saying, so bear with me).

    And, mostly, who DECIDES what constitutes porn?

    Is Tropic of Cancer porn? Valley of the Dolls? Apocalypse Now?
    Is there even such a thing as "porn" to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Is there even such a thing as "porn" to you?
    Yes. And there's a difference between what kids should be exposed to and what adults can choose to watch or read.

    Again, who DECIDES what porn is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jillian View Post
    Yes. And there's a difference between what kids should be exposed to and what adults can choose to watch or read.

    Again, who DECIDES what porn is?
    ok--so porn exists according to you------what should be done about it ?

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    Maybe the mulsims are right. This country is the great satan.

    Our morals sure reflect it. Or, maybe better said, the athiest, secularist, liberals morals reflect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    ok--so porn exists according to you------what should be done about it ?
    I thought so--NOTHING--so I'll assume you'll be waiting until a conservative tries something and then you will trash him/her for being a Nazi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Maybe the mulsims are right. This country is the great satan.

    Our morals sure reflect it. Or, maybe better said, the athiest, secularist, liberals morals reflect it.
    Our morals really do, but we aren't the great satan. we just have a very cancerous part of society that wont be able to survive what is coming up in the future. Its sad too because we have all the warnings before us.

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    Again, why is it a funding issue to make libraries family friendly? All they have to do is keep the pornography out of the library.

    What really annoys me about this is that I know local libraries that will bend over backwards to make pornography available that have turned down good and decent books on religion as unnecessary.

    pornography has no redeeming values. Its not educational. Its not art. Its absolute profanity. I see no reason why libraries should be encouraging the use of non-education material while turning away things that are actually useful.

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