Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

[NightTrain]

Not in the DSM V. It was changed from "disorder" to "dysphoria."

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.

Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

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He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”


While the Obama administration, Hollywood, and major media such as Time magazine promote transgenderism as normal, said Dr. McHugh, these “policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.”

Much more : http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...der-sex-change

A testimonial by someone claiming service in which he parrots the usual memes is worthless. I note that he started off stating that anyone with disorders is banned from serving, and that is just flat wrong. If that were true, anyone seeing a military shrink for depression would be booted. So, having established that your "expert" doesn't know what he is talking about. Next, we can address the obvious fact that testimony about one's feelings and beliefs are worthless as evidence and that presenting such demeans the credibility of those presenting it.

Claiming service? A quick search of John Burk will show his honorable service and the timeline if you doubt him. Further, he was a Drill Instructor in the US Army and knows first hand the task of weeding out the wheat from the chaff during the intake of raw recruits.

I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?

What is missing here is actual evidence of harm done transgender service. Many thousands have served. I have yet to read anyone here present any quantitative or qualitative evidence of actual harm resulting from this service, let alone any analysis of NET harm vs. benefit.

DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.

Given that at least one transgender became a member of SEAL 6, and given the rigorous selection process for that, the case of that soldier would seem to be de facto proof that the "condition" is not of itself disqualifying of military service at the most elite levels.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

[Abbey Marie]

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.



Much more : http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...der-sex-change



Claiming service? A quick search of John Burk will show his honorable service and the timeline if you doubt him. Further, he was a Drill Instructor in the US Army and knows first hand the task of weeding out the wheat from the chaff during the intake of raw recruits.

I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?



DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.



Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

LOL @ "Clutching his pearls"

[Ricky Tavy]

Yeah, all sorts of bizarre things happen when you have a runaway PC culture.

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.

I think I'll take the word of an actual decorated combat veteran over your admitted lack of military experience. That seems reasonable, does it not?

No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.

DoD removed the tranny ban just last year... I find it hard to believe that there's any accurate numbers available. Now that trannies aren't allowed again, I'd say those numbers are really going to get weird.

Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them. Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Christopher Beck was a decorated Navy SEAL and retired from the Navy in 2011. Your precious Kristen Beck 'transitioned' in 2013. Thus, there was no transgender member of SEAL Team 6.

Obviously he has mental issues and decided he wanted to be a woman despite having a penis that clearly showed he was a male but that happened after the fact. PTSD perhaps? Latent homo tendencies? Who knows?

Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?

I get that he's receiving free press by huffing indignantly and clutching his pearls while talking to reporters about how he's being oppressed while gearing up his campaign to run for Congress, but clearly he's got a couple of screws loose and is no longer qualified for military service.

Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.

[Gunny]

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.




No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.



Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them. Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.





Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?



Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.

Still pasting blathering rhetoric?

You're also STILL as wrong as your first post in this thread. None of you internet insults are going to change THAT. Quick synopsis: You are EXACTLY every thing you've accused us of a being. A small minded bigot that doesn't know what you're talking about. I can give you a recruiter's phone # though and you can go get a crash course on what you don't know for the next 4 years.

[NightTrain]

"PC culture" is another thing Deplorables have discovered to make themselves victims, even as they are great promoters of their own PC culture: gotta speak English, no wearing of Muslim stuff, gotta have patriotic displays at least twice per ball game, "Happy Holidays" is treason.

Oh, I'm not a victim. It's a complete waste of time and you'd know that if you knew anything about me. May I suggest that you educate yourself before making such accusations toward people you know nothing about?

No, it sounds like you are willing to take the opinion of one soldier (showing my point about the value of testimonials flew right over your head) who has no expertise in psychological issues, because you believe his opinion validates yours.

One soldier? I can dig up loads more who think the whole idea is ridiculous. The interwebs are full of such opinions from actual military members.

I find it humorous that the only soldier's opinion that you're interested in is a former SEAL Team 6 member that decided he wanted to be a woman after he retired.

Fun fact for you : This board is loaded with Veterans and not one of them think having Stubbly Alice in a foxhole with normal soldiers in combat is a good idea.

Whereas liberals tend to use "PC" to avoid offending others. Don't understand why Deplorables cling so desperately to their right to use insulting terms, except as revenge against all those they blame for their inadequacies and those they see as looking down on them.

I call a spade a spade. I'm not interested in playing liberal PC word games. A tranny is a tranny, and you understand what I'm referring to when I say tranny. Bruce Jenner still lives under his wig & makeup and he's still a shitty driver.

If your skirts get a bit fluffed when I use such terminology, I reckon you'll just have to toughen up a bit and accept my blunt descriptives when I say tranny instead of Genderqueer / Non-Binary. I could also say fag when talking about homosexuals, but I'll go the extra mile for you and just type out homo in the interest of catering to your delicate sensibilities.

Oh, and transgenders are still allowed in the military, because the leaders of the military do not believe pandering ignorant tweets from an undisciplined brat constitute policy.

Did you miss this?

"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump said in a series of tweets. "Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

I don't know how you could have missed that, seeing as how it was the first sentence.

Moving past the ignorance of believing transgenderism is "homo," you think he only caught his "disorder" after he got out of the military? So hysterical in defending what you see as a threat to your gender identity you reach to joining those who slime soldiers with PTSD in order to protect your justifiable insecurities?

I'm not sure if you've detected it yet, but I really have no interest in categorizing differently flamers who prance around in pink tutus vs. men who prance around in pink tutus that honestly are hetero. It's just weird all the way around and they're both trannies.

Yeah, imagine the pleasure she is getting from all the sneering hate she gets from insecure weenies in cyber-space. Give me a choice, and I would take a soldier who qualified at the most elite level in my foxhole over some internet blowhard who is distracted by the worry he will not be able to resist other soldiers turning him into a commie deviant.

Sneering hate? I have no hatred for the man, rather the contrary is true : I pity him and hope he gets the help he needs.

Rushing to judgement with your large brush again, I see. That's not nice, Ricky.

[aboutime]

A remarkable combination of a predictable, witless you're-a-tranny shot, even sadder "says you" whimper, stereotypical rightard resentment of education and articulation, and feeble cliché flinging all wrapped in a pathetic deflection that is gratuitously insulting in the way it treats others as if they are no smarter than you.

Your predictability is even stronger. Using the endless insults by combining your so-called Mastery at words you learned in LOWER educational situations is laughable, even for a devout liberal who hates everyone, and everything YOU have no control over.

Trying to destroy this forum by making an ass of yourself only works if everyone is just like you. So...mark this up as another Ignorant Failure of your frustration to win . <img src="https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder893/500x/50296893.jpg">

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[Ricky Tavy]

Still pasting blathering rhetoric?

You're also STILL as wrong as your first post in this thread. None of you internet insults are going to change THAT. Quick synopsis: You are EXACTLY every thing you've accused us of a being. A small minded bigot that doesn't know what you're talking about. I can give you a recruiter's phone # though and you can go get a crash course on what you don't know for the next 4 years.

Damn! I did not anticipate your awesome ability to stamp your little feet and squeal "Nuh uh!" prior to squeaking an impotent hiss-and-spit. And to think some lib bullies were mocking Deplorable forensic skills here.

[Gunny]

Damn! I did not anticipate your awesome ability to stamp your little feet and squeal "Nuh uh!" prior to squeaking an impotent hiss-and-spit. And to think some lib bullies were mocking Deplorable forensic skills here.

Is this all the game you really have? Post after post some lame personal attack. If I stamp my feet, you'll have a cast on your ankle for awhile.

Try growing up. But then, that would require you having an actual point besides the one on your head, right? If you desire to make your personal opinion of me a topic, feel free. IN THE RIGHT FORUM.

[Duster]

Is this all the game you really have? Post after post some lame personal attack. If I stamp my feet, you'll have a cast on your ankle for awhile.

Try growing up. But then, that would require you having an actual point besides the one on your head, right? If you desire to make your personal opinion of me a topic, feel free. IN THE RIGHT FORUM.

How can a transgender even get in the military? Don't they have to pass a physical anymore?

[aboutime]

How can a transgender even get in the military? Don't they have to pass a physical anymore?

You should probably ask some of the newer, liberal members who arrived here in July. I suppose they can tell you how to pretend to be a normal human when taking a physical, then how to claim they are the Opposite of what they claimed to be...to get the SEX CHANGE surgery...at TAX PAYER EXPENSE. Since the new members defend others like themselves who pretend to be normal humans until they admit to being LIBERAL.

[Duster]

You should probably ask some of the newer, liberal members who arrived here in July. I suppose they can tell you how to pretend to be a normal human when taking a physical, then how to claim they are the Opposite of what they claimed to be...to get the SEX CHANGE surgery...at TAX PAYER EXPENSE. Since the new members defend others like themselves who pretend to be normal humans until they admit to being LIBERAL.

I see there are a lot of ex-military on here. Just thought they might know something about what it takes to pass a physical. Doesn't seem to me that someone with all the mental issues and maybe undergoing hormone treatment could get in.

As for newer, liberal members I take it you're talking about RickyTavy. He strikes me as a moron with a burr up his ass. Doesn't seem to care much about issues. So I'll pass on that advice.

[pete311]

Coast Guard 'will not break faith' with transgender members, leader says
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/34...rs-leader-says

[revelarts]

Well, we can go with the understanding expressed by an easily frightened Deplorable who sees transgenderism as a vast left-wing conspiracy dedicated, presumably, to robbing him of his precious bodily fluids. We can accept as credible the arguments of someone who finds validity in the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdum arguments....

"reducto ad absurdum arguments"?
mmm nope... check the definition... no one here's done that.
what I did was give EXAMPLES of what IS happening. And simply pointing out the obvious.
that is, People that believe they are something or someone they clearly are not, have mental issues of some kind.

...Or, we can go with the professionals. Transgenderism has not been seen by the professionals as a mental illness, and DSM V does not even describe it as a disorder...

Not in the DSM V. It was changed from "disorder" to "dysphoria."

SO which is it Ricky?
look you seem to admit that transgenderisms STILL in the DSM, the "PSYCHIATRIC BIBLE"... after you claim it's not a mental "illness"... Illness, Problem, Disorder, Dysphoria as i said it's a mental issue.

Although the fickled and political wind testers that lead the Psych field have downgraded it officially. It's STILL THERE.
a REAL MENTAL ISSUE.

And for those of us that don't bend under every Orwellian pronouncement of the fashionable leading "experts" that say "war is peace" and "dogs are cats"...
for those folks with common sense as a guide for many mental problems, when it comes to people claiming they are something they DEMONSTRABLE are not. it doesn't take a "professional" to make the diagnosis.
However, It does take cultural conditioning and pressure for people to IGNORE the obvious and believe the Emporer has clothes. Many go further and try to shame others into thinking that people deny the reality of their own bodies compounded by "dysphoria" (sadness/mild depression) are rational and should be carrying weapons in the name of the U.S.A.

Sorry, I'm not playing along.
the generals are right it's a bad idea.
and financially it's completely STUPID.

[revelarts]

for the record, there are more than a few "professionals" that still acknowledge the obvious.

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles..."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mc...ion-1402615120
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...der-sex-change

...Berger, who is a consulting psychiatrist in Toronto and whose list of credentials establishes him as an expert in the field of mental illness, stated that people who identify themselves as "transgendered" are mentally ill or simply unhappy, and pointed out that hormone therapy and surgery are not appropriate treatments for psychosis or unhappiness.<figure data-location="3"></figure>"From a scientific perspective, let me clarify what ‘transgendered’ actually means," Dr. Berger said, adding, "I am speaking now about the scientific perspective – and not any political lobbying position that may be proposed by any group, medical or non-medical."
"‘Transgendered’ are people who claim that they really are or wish to be people of the sex opposite to which they were born, or to which their chromosomal configuration attests," Dr. Berger stated.
"Some times, some of these people have claimed that they are ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ or alternatively ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body’."
"The medical treatment of delusions, psychosis or emotional happiness is not surgery," Dr. Berger stated.
"On the other hand," Dr. Berger continued, "if these people are asked to clarify exactly what they believe, that is to say do they truly believe whichever of those above propositions applies to them and they say ‘no’, then they know that such a proposition is not true, but that they ‘feel’ it, then what we are talking about scientifically, is just unhappiness, and that unhappiness is being accompanied by a wish – that leads some people into taking hormones that predominate in the other sex, and even having cosmetic surgery designed to make them ‘appear’ as if they are a person of the opposite sex."
He explained that cosmetic surgery will not change the chromosomes of a human being in that it will not make a man become a woman, capable of menstruating, ovulating, and having children, nor will it make a woman into a man, capable of generating sperm that can unite with an egg or ovum from a woman and fertilize that egg to produce a human child. Moreover, Dr. Berger stated that the arguments put forward by those advocating for special rights for gender confused people have no scientific value and are subjective and emotional appeals with no objective scientific basis."I have read the brief put forward by those advocating special rights, and I find nothing of scientific value in it," Dr. Berger said in his statement. "Words and phrases, such as 'the inner space,' are used that have no objective scientific basis."
"These are the scientific facts," Dr. Berger said. "There seems to me to be no medical or scientific reason to grant any special rights or considerations to people who are unhappy with the sex they were born into, or to people who wish to dress in the clothes of the opposite sex."
"The so-called ‘confusion’ about their sexuality that a teenager or adult has is purely psychological. As a psychiatrist, I see no reason for people who identify themselves in these ways to have any rights or privileges different from everyone else in Canada," he concluded....