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    Exclamation U.S. Readies Tough Rules on Employers of Immigrants

    U.S. Readies Tough Rules on Employers of Illegal Aliens.



    August 8, 2007
    By JULIA PRESTON


    In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.

    Officials said the rules would be backed up by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

    After first proposing the rules last year, Department of Homeland Security officials said they held off finishing them to await the outcome of the debate in Congress over a sweeping immigration bill. That measure, which was supported by President Bush, died in the Senate in June.

    Now Bush administration officials are signaling that they intend to clamp down on employers of illegal immigrants even without a new immigration law. The approach is expected to play well with conservatives who have long demanded a tougher stance on illegal immigration, but could also spur a renewed legislative effort to provide legal status for the estimated six million or so unauthorized immigrants in the work force.

    “We are tough and we are going to be even tougher,” said Russ Knocke, the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security. “There are not going to be any more excuses for employers, and there will be serious consequences for those that choose to blatantly disregard the law.”

    Experts said the new rules represented a major tightening of the immigration enforcement system, in which employers for decades have paid little attention to notices, known as no-match letters, from the Social Security Administration that workers’ names and numbers did not match the agency’s records.

    Employers, especially in agriculture and low-wage industries, said they were deeply worried about the administration’s new stance, which could force them to lay off thousands of low-wage immigrant workers. More than 70 percent of farmworkers in the American fields are illegal immigrants, according to estimates by growers’ associations.

    “Across the employer community, people are scared, confused, holding their breath,” said Craig Reggelbrugge, co-chairman of the Agriculture Coalition for Immigration Reform, a trade organization. “Given what we know about the demographics of our labor force, since we are approaching peak season, people are particularly on edge.”

    The expected regulations would give employers a fixed period, perhaps up to 90 days, to resolve any discrepancies between identity information provided by their workers and the records of the Social Security Administration. If a worker’s documents cannot be verified, employers would be required to fire them or risk up to $10,000 in fines for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.Illegal workers often provide employers with fabricated or stolen Social Security numbers to qualify for a job.

    Immigrants rights groups and labor unions, including the A.F.L.-C.I.O, predicted the rules would result in discrimination against Hispanic workers. They said they were preparing legal challenges to try to stop them from taking effect.

    The new rules responded to demands from groups opposing illegal immigration and from many Republican lawmakers for the Bush administration to enforce existing laws before offering legal status to undocumented immigrants.

    The new rules codify an uneasy partnership between the Department of Homeland Security, which enforces the immigration laws, and the Social Security Administration, which collects identity information from W-2 tax forms of about 250 million workers each year, including immigrants and Americans, so it can credit the earnings in its system.

    Mark Hinkle, a spokesman for Social Security, said the agency expected to send out about 140,000 no-match letters to employers this year, covering more than eight million workers. After the rules are announced, the agency is anticipating a surge in requests from employers seeking to clarify workers’ information, he said.

    Social Security issues letters only to employers who have more than 10 workers whose numbers do not match, when those workers represent at least one-half of 1 percent of the company’s workforce, Mr. Hinkle said.

    The agency cannot verify which mismatches came from immigrants who presented false Social Security numbers when they applied for jobs, he said. Mismatches also occur because of clerical errors, or when workers marry and forget to inform Social Security that they changed their names. Several studies in recent years, including a 2005 survey by the General Accounting Office, have found significant error rates in the Social Security database.

    “We don’t know and we don’t speculate” about the reasons for mismatches, Mr. Hinkle said.

    The new rules will clarify steps employers can take to avoid being accused of knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, officials said. According to the draft, employers would be given 14 days after receiving a no-match letter to check for clerical errors and consult with the employee to correct mistakes. If the discrepancies are eliminated and new, valid work papers are filed within the fixed period, employers would enjoy a “safe harbor” from penalties.

    The rules proposed last year brought a storm of criticism from both employers and workers groups. In a formal comment, the A.F.L.-C.I.O. said the rules would “harm all workers regardless of immigration status.”

    “The enforcement is only on the immigration side,” Ana Avendaño, associate general counsel for the A.F.L.-C.I.O, said today. “They don’t do any labor inspection. So they are just giving employers another tool to repress workers’ rights.”

    Even large companies that do not hire many low-skilled immigrants would also be affected by the rules, lawyers said. “It’s going to be a big change for almost every company,” said Cynthia J. Lange, an immigration lawyer in California.

    “If this is strictly enforced, there could be massive layoffs of workers,” said Muzaffar Chishti, a director of the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan research group. But he said that illegal immigrant workers might not leave the labor force, but would apply for jobs at other businesses using the same invalid documents. He predicted the market for forged documents would grow.

    “A lot of employers are saying we just can’t handle this,” said Laura Reiff, co-chairwoman of the Essential Worker Immigrant Coalition, which represents employers in low-skilled industries. She said the rules might spur new pressure from business on Congress to reconsider measures granting legal status to illegal immigrants.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/wa...gewanted=print
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    “A lot of employers are saying we just can’t handle this,” said Laura Reiff, co-chairwoman of the Essential Worker Immigrant Coalition, which represents employers in low-skilled industries. She said the rules might spur new pressure from business on Congress to reconsider measures granting legal status to illegal immigrants.
    Is that right? Well ya know what else little miss illegal advocate voice, it also might force some of these illegal sons a bitches to GO BACK HOME! We could BE so lucky.

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    Just another dog and pony show, IMO. Give the impression that they are doing something, anything.Less than two months ago they wanted to give illegals amnesty, now they're serious about cracking down. Yeah, right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Is that right? Well ya know what else little miss illegal advocate voice, it also might force some of these illegal sons a bitches to GO BACK HOME! We could BE so lucky.
    Two things. #1 Why arn't these Illegal's charged with Identity Theft? That is what they are doing when they steal or use someone else's Social Security Card.

    #2 We need to find out what companies hire Illegal's and boycott their products. Also turn anyone in that we can find that is Illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    Two things. #1 Why arn't these Illegal's charged with Identity Theft? That is what they are doing when they steal or use someone else's Social Security Card.
    You have an excelelnt point.

    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    #2 We need to find out what companies hire Illegal's and boycott their products. Also turn anyone in that we can find that is Illegal.
    When this becomes law, I will.

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    and the liberal media will start with the sob stories and how Amercia is a racist nation


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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    and the liberal media will start with the sob stories and how Amercia is a racist nation
    "The nation" don't want to hear it. They want the illegals GONE. Fuck the MSM. We all know what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    "The nation" don't want to hear it. They want the illegals GONE. Fuck the MSM. We all know what they are.
    We may not want to hear it, but the kook left lives and breaths what they "report"


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    Saw this earlier today. I've said all along the gov. needs to get tough on the employers hiring illegals. Two big points I saw in the article have been bolded. These people are violating the law by

    1. Being here illegally
    2. stealing SS cards
    3. Not being lisenced.

    http://www.upi.com/International_Sec...arrested/7557/

    March 2007 ICE agents conducted an investigation into Tarrasco Steel contracts at bridges in Greenville, Miss.; New Orleans; Biloxi, Miss., and two additional locations where they arrested 77 immigrants who were using unauthorized Social Security numbers for employment.

    "There is a serious public safety concern when illegal aliens, who are not authorized to work in the country legally, and who do not possess valid welding certifications, are employed in the construction of bridges in our communities," Michael A. Holt, special agent in charge of the ICE Office of Investigations in New Orleans, said in a statemen

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    Just another dog and pony show, IMO. Give the impression that they are doing something, anything.Less than two months ago they wanted to give illegals amnesty, now they're serious about cracking down. Yeah, right.
    I can totally understand that sentiment. But, this crack down is good for any politician that supports it, and BAD for any that oppose it.

    What I find disturbing is that the border STILL remains open, AND our commander and traitor, Mr globalist, NAU supporter, mexico ass kissing President bush, is PULLING GAURD TROOPS OFF THE BORDER! November '08 can't come soon enough. We need this FUCKER out of the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I can totally understand that sentiment. But, this crack down is good for any politician that supports it, and BAD for any that oppose it.

    What I find disturbing is that the border STILL remains open, AND our commander and traitor, Mr globalist, NAU supporter, mexico ass kissing President bush, is PULLING GAURD TROOPS OFF THE BORDER! November '08 can't come soon enough. We need this FUCKER out of the White House.
    He will be gone (I am glad as well) on 1/20/09


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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadamedic View Post
    Two things. #1 Why arn't these Illegal's charged with Identity Theft? That is what they are doing when they steal or use someone else's Social Security Card.

    #2 We need to find out what companies hire Illegal's and boycott their products. Also turn anyone in that we can find that is Illegal.
    Ok here is my thoughts.

    I had a guy using my card illegally and found out because my dad worked for the state and was looking up my employee records and found a guy named Tajeda using my Social. My wallet had been stolen not long before that. I found out where he was working and showed up to the place of employment to confront the company owner and showed him my socialk security card saying someone is using my number illegally he said they guy already had gone back to mexico. I went to the Social Security Administration and had to go file a report with the Police about it. The lady at the desk for sparks police said "what do you want us to do go to mexico and arrest him??"
    Anyways I was pissed and I still check once a month to make sure no one is using my number as I still have access to people doing so.

    I agree if you take there jobs they would be forced to go home to make money for their families since they send all their earnings to mexico anyways how are they helping our economy????
    Food for thought... If guns are outlawed how can we shoot the liberals???? Anti-war= Pro Terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrescuedude2000 View Post
    I found out where he was working and showed up to the place of employment to confront the company owner and showed him my socialk security card saying someone is using my number illegally he said the guy already had gone back to mexico.
    I highly doubt that. Sounds like the employer knew their shit was in a sling and lied. I'd have turned their ass in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    I highly doubt that. Sounds like the employer knew their shit was in a sling and lied. I'd have turned their ass in.
    I did what I could and talked to the social security admin. and filed a police report. Not much else I can do but go in shooting
    Food for thought... If guns are outlawed how can we shoot the liberals???? Anti-war= Pro Terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrescuedude2000 View Post
    I did what I could and talked to the social security admin. and filed a police report. Not much else I can do but go in shooting
    I like your avatar.

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