Rushmore, Monticello, Mt. Vernon...

[pete311]

Unless it's an issue most don't feel strongly about either way, then they sure do react to pressure from a few.

Right, not feeling strongly, is the vote

[michiganFats]

Right, not feeling strongly, is the vote

No it's not. A vote is a vote. People not feeling strongly one way or the other allows some to virtue signal but what you said was the people had voted, implying they specifically voted for removal of these monuments. They did not and you just admitted it.

[Gunny]

You don't see a difference in city property vs a federal human right?

I don't see the difference in the splinters in your ass riding that fence.

But we can play law if you want. The People of the State of Texas, among others, voted by overwhelming majority and had signed into law that marriage was between a man and a woman.

I don't see where that is a Federal concern. It allows everyone the same Rights, and is equal under Constitutional law. The Constitution doesn't say anything about "you get a special law for being aberrant whether or not the people want it". Legislating from the bench that fags can marry is discriminatory in that it excludes are normal people, and/or the ones that want to marry their barn animals.

So no, I DON'T see the difference between that and a bunch of morons running around destroying history because they think they have the moral authority to do so. I'm offended by THEM. Maybe I should just destroy them, right?

Your bullshit is discriminatory. The very thing you claim to be arguing against.

[Black Diamond]

You don't see a difference in city property vs a federal human right?

If marriage is a right, why do you need a license ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

For Petyboy..... be sure to read the comments at the end.. --Tyr

https://www.yahoo.com/news/confedera...004658815.html

U.S.
Should Confederate era statues be removed?
[The Telegraph]
Our Foreign Staff
,The Telegraph•August 16, 2017
Light shines through the trees near a Confederate statue Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Baltimore - ap
Light shines through the trees near a Confederate statue Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Baltimore - ap

Confederate monuments are being removed around the country under pressure from those who say they honour a regime that enslaved African-Americans. The pace has increased, however, in the wake of last weekend's deadly confrontation at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

These are some of the monuments that have been removed, covered up or vandalised in recent days:
NEW YORK

Plaques honoring Gen. Robert E. Lee were removed from the property of a now-closed Episcopal church in Brooklyn on Wednesday. Gov. Andrew Cuomo also called on the Army to rename two streets at nearby Fort Hamilton that honored Lee and Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.

The plaques, including one more than a century old, were taken down at St. John's Episcopal Church because they were "offensive to the community," said Bishop Lawrence Provenzano of the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island.
The Roger B. Taney monument base in Mount Vernon Place is viewed in Baltimore, Maryland, after it was removed by the city on August 16, 2017 - Credit: AFP
The Roger B. Taney monument base in Mount Vernon Place is viewed in Baltimore, Maryland, after it was removed by the city on August 16, 2017 Credit: AFP
BALTIMORE

Four Confederacy-related monuments were hauled away on trucks under cover of darkness late on Tuesday night and early on Wednesday.

Mayor Catherine Pugh said she was concerned that such statues might spark violence.

One monument honored Maryland resident Roger B. Taney, the U.S. Supreme Court justice who wrote the Dred Scott decision denying citizenship to African-Americans.
A damaged nearly century-old Confederate statue lies on a pallet in a warehouse in Durham, N.C. on Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2017 - Credit: AP
A damaged nearly century-old Confederate statue lies on a pallet in a warehouse in Durham, N.C. on Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2017 Credit: AP
DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA

A bronze statue of a Confederate soldier was pulled from its pedestal by protesters on Monday night.

The 1924 monument stood in front of a government office building until demonstrators used a rope to pull it down. Four people have been arrested, and authorities plan more arrests.

Gov Roy Cooper has called for the removal of all Confederate monuments on public property around the state.
The Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson monument base is viewed in Wyman Park Dell in Baltimore, Maryland, after being removed by the city on August 16, 2017 - Credit: AFP
The Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson monument base is viewed in Wyman Park Dell in Baltimore, Maryland, after being removed by the city on August 16, 2017 Credit: AFP
WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA

In another North Carolina town, two Confederate statues were vandalised with spray paint.

Someone also tied a rope around one of the statues in what may have been an attempt to topple it, police said Wednesday. No arrests were immediately made.
A monument to Confederate General John Hunt Morgan stands encased in a protective scaffolding because of local construction, outside the Historic Lexington Courthouse in Lexington - Credit: Reuters
A monument to Confederate General John Hunt Morgan stands encased in a protective scaffolding because of local construction, outside the Historic Lexington Courthouse in Lexington Credit: Reuters
KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE

A 1914 monument honoring fallen Confederate soldiers was splattered with paint. Opponents are signing a petition to have it removed from a neighbourhood near the University of Tennessee campus.
BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA

A 52-foot-tall obelisk honoring Confederate soldiers and sailors was covered by wooden panels at the mayor's order. The 1905 monument is in a downtown park.

The cover-up on Tuesday prompted a lawsuit by Alabama's attorney general, who argues that it violates a new law prohibiting the removal of historical structures, including rebel memorials.
A statue of Robert E. Lee stands in the background as Gary Stuard demonstrates with the Democratic Socialists of America, North Texas group, to remember Heather Heyer, at Lee Park in Dallas on Sunday, Aug. 13, 2017 - Credit: Brandon Wade/The Dallas Morning News via AP
A statue of Robert E. Lee stands in the background as Gary Stuard demonstrates with the Democratic Socialists of America, North Texas group, to remember Heather Heyer, at Lee Park in Dallas on Sunday, Aug. 13, 2017 Credit: Brandon Wade/The Dallas Morning News via AP
LOS ANGELES

Hollywood Forever Cemetery, where many movie legends are interred, removed a 6-foot Confederate monument that was erected in 1925.

The stone and attached plaque were trucked away to storage Wednesday after the cemetery received hundreds of calls and emails requesting its removal.

More than 30 Confederate veterans and their families are buried in the cemetery. Their grave markers will remain.
A sign calling for Emancipation Park to be renamed after Heather Heyer is placed at the base of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, blocks from where she was killed and 19 others injured when a car slammed into a crowd of people protesting against a white supremacist rally, August 16, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia - Credit: Getty
A sign calling for Emancipation Park to be renamed after Heather Heyer is placed at the base of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, blocks from where she was killed and 19 others injured when a car slammed into a crowd of people protesting against a white supremacist rally, August 16, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia Credit: Getty
SAN DIEGO

The city removed a plaque naming Confederate President Jefferson Davis from a downtown plaza on Wednesday.

The plaque honored San Diego as the Western terminus of the Jefferson Davis Highway between Virginia and California. It was presented to the city in 1926 by a state chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
A Confederate statue in Piedmont Park is splattered with red paint after being vandalized in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, 15 August 2017 - Credit: EPA
A Confederate statue in Piedmont Park is splattered with red paint after being vandalized in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, 15 August 2017 Credit: EPA
TAMPA, FLORIDA

A 106-year-old statue of Confederate soldiers will remain on public property unless opponents raise enough money to move it to a private cemetery, officials decided.

The Hillsborough County Commission voted last month to remove the monument but voted Wednesday to do so only if private funds can be raised in 30 days.

Charlottesville far-right protest

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jm
jm
3 hours ago
Statues banned, speech limited by political correctness, the left banning and protesting free speech with mobs and destruction if they don't agree with it, so the only thing left is to ban and burn books. Exactly who are the fascists?

Rebel To The Core
Rebel To The Core
15 hours ago
I am trying two figure out that all these Historical statues have been here for years and all the sudden the last seven years it becomes a problem??????
Harry
Harry
3 hours ago
Southern citizens are bearing these indefensible insults to their heritage and history with an astonishing amount of patience and forbearance, more so than I think I could muster in their place. I hope the leftist snowflake politicians are ready for what may happen when they decide en masse that they've had all they're going to take.

Randy
Randy
21 hours ago
And, as I said it starts: a complete tear down of America and it's history. Can't wait to see what's next! Removal of slave owning Presidents from our money? Changing our flag since it supported slavery for many years? You stupid leftist started it. Wonder when you'll start to cry as a small percentage of Americans take over your country.
Debbie s
Debbie s
23 hours ago
So now because of political correctness we will ignore history. We will bow down to the minority because if we don't they'll act like savages and riot and loot ! SO what's next? Jefferson and Washington were slave owners..do we take them off our money? If that's the case then Martin Luther King was a womanizing adulterer...she he lose his holiday? Oh no that's right I forgot. The only people to be held accountable in this country for anything is the White Person... I'm all for a go fund me web sight that will send every black person back to Africa ! If you put the word African before the word American then go ! ! ! ! If you put any country before American you can go too... Throughout time atrocities have happened to us all and we move on. The Irish were slaves, the jews were gassed, the christians were persecuted and the list goes on and on and on... guess all artifacts now should be destroyed if they are not representative of peace! The irony there is that the same people that want these artifacts removed are not peaceful people !
ghostrider49th
ghostrider49th
21 hours ago
REPORTERS NEED TO DO A STORY ABOUT ISIS IN AMERICA ! OTHERWISE KNOWN AS ANTIFA ! LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING PEOPLE ! YOU WANT OUR COUNTRY IN WAR AND RUBBLE LIKE IRAQ ? DEATH AND STARVATION AND YES ALL OF YOUR LITTLE PLEASURES GONE ! WELL IT'S HAPPENING ! DESTROYING HISTORY ,VIOLENCE IN THE STREETS ,WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN ANOTHER COUNTRY TAKES IT'S CLAIM TO OUR UNSTABLE COUNTRY ? I DESPISE NAZI'S AS WELL AS OTHER HATE FILLED GROUPS . THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR SOCIETY. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS AND FIND SOLUTIONS TO OUR OWN PROBLEMS AND MEND OR DIVIDES.I HAVE DONE MY SHARE OF ARGUING ABUT ISSUES LEFT AND RIGHT.AND TODAY I AM VERY SORRY TO ALL I HAVE OFFENDED IN DOING SO .I LOVE AMERICA AND MY LIBERTIES AND DON'T WANT OUR GREAT NATION GO DOWN THE TUBES ALL WHILE DEFENDING MY FAMILY AND HOME FROM THOSE THAT WOULD DO HARM TO IT.BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING AGAINST ISIS AND OTHER TERRORISTS ALL WHILE WATCHING THEIR FAMILIES DIE FROM WAR AND SUICIDE BOMBERS ETC ! THE STORIES FROM THE MEDIA ARE GEARED UP TO MAKE US HATE ONE ANOTHER . IT IS VERY RARELY DEBATE AND YOU KNOW IT . SO WILL WE BE SOME NATION THAT DIED FROM INTERNAL INJURIES , OR WILL WE SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS WITH THE VOTE LIKE OUR FOREFATHERS INTENDED US TO DO ? WHAT WILL YOU REALIZE TODAY ?


This and That 4 Crafts
21 hours ago
This has all become crazy. Decisions made over 100 years ago do not fit with today's view of society. However, decisions made today will also not fit with view's about society 100s of years from now. 100s of years from now it maybe decided that heterosexual behavior is wrong, or that abortion is once gain illegal, or so many other things that can change with the times. Does this make the people of their time any less worthy of their deeds for that time? Yes, they got it wrong. But society was also not as enlightened or educated as it is today. Even Lincoln, probably our greatest president, was willing to leave the black man enslaved if it would have saved the unity of this great nation. He stated as such in his letter to Horace Greeley. Should we now remove all of Lincoln's tributes because he wasn't quite the saint we all think he was? Even to this day it could be said that Lincoln's emancipation proclamation was more of a propaganda stunt than a heart felt action. You can look the letter up anywhere on the internet if you don't believe he stated it or if the schools have just stopped teaching history and you have never heard of the letters between Lincoln and Greeley.
Charles
Charles
19 hours ago
First statues of Confederate soldiers and generals, and now a statue of a Supreme Court justice, huh. Next will be anything associated with the 12 US presidents who owned slaves, or the 41 signers of the Declaration of Independence who were slave owners, and so forth. This isn't going to end well, folks.
Tom S
Tom S
23 hours ago
Taney is known as "The Obama of the Supreme Court."
unemployed
unemployed
1 hour ago
Interesting facts about slavery: Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in 1962. Yemen abolished slavery the same year. Oman officially abolished slavery in 1972. Mauritania, a West African Muslim country abolished slavery in 1981, 37 years ago. Where is the liberal outrage?
Zoot Cat
Zoot Cat
17 hours ago
I see now, why Trump loves Jackson. At any rate, Taney's sculpture was removed today in Baltimore. It wasn't built by the owner as a memorial to Taney's wisdom or courage - it was created as "a protest in living bronze” against Congress, which in 1865 had withheld funds to create a bust of Taney, for his “terrible decision where a most unrighteous judgment was sustained by a falsification of history.” The monument was erected to promote white supremacy in Baltimore during the "Lost Cause" campaign.
The Truth
The Truth
5 hours ago
What's next museums? Churches? The army? Limits and access to All other religious place of worship? Putting a stop to ALL religious worshiping with the exception of One?
Just Me
Just Me
3 hours ago
Stupid left liberals. History is history...good or bad. How about the fact that it might remind us of what not to do in the future. America and it's history should not fall to socialism/communism. The left are communists. I despise you all because you are stupid little sheep.
Jeff Frischkorn
Jeff Frischkorn
16 hours ago
Honestly, before this brouhaha all began the only ones interested in these statues were the pigeons.. I guess they're going to become increasingly disappointed... Oh, well, humanity is forever craving to build monuments and statutes to itself.. The pigeons will do just fine..
Sharpe2012
Sharpe2012
yesterday
Typical dipshit remark from a has been actor starving for a job!
Robert
Robert
17 hours ago
I will fight Communism until my last breath and there are 10's of millions more just like me and we all realize that racist hate groups make up .0000000000000000000000000000001 % of the population , meanwhile you'll hear the Communist snakes calling racists the Trump core base ..lolol Be smart , stay strong my anti Communist Sisters and brothers in arms !!!!!

[pete311]

No it's not. A vote is a vote. People not feeling strongly one way or the other allows some to virtue signal but what you said was the people had voted, implying they specifically voted for removal of these monuments. They did not and you just admitted it.

huh then I guess cities should take 100s of votes every day for everything they do. Got it!

[pete311]

I don't see the difference in the splinters in your ass riding that fence.

awesome phrase, I gotta remember this one!

[pete311]

If marriage is a right, why do you need a license ?

If water is a right, why do I have to pay for it?

[michiganFats]

huh then I guess cities should take 100s of votes every day for everything they do. Got it!

No but you not claiming that activists are responding to a vote of the people on a specific issue when they aren't might be a good idea.

[Gunny]

If water is a right, why do I have to pay for it?

Simple point: Your stance on one argument contradicts your stance in another. Your argument is based on partisan politics, not fact and truth.

The left isn't about doing what's right. It's about forcing whatever latest notion suits them on others regardless the hypocrisy from one stance to another.

[Black Diamond]

If water is a right, why do I have to pay for it?

Water isn't a right either.

[pete311]

No but you not claiming that activists are responding to a vote of the people on a specific issue when they aren't might be a good idea.

Reasonable, now vote in politicians that agree with your stance.

[pete311]

Water isn't a right either.

http://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade...to_water.shtml

edit: I concede this point, as I read more, as there is a section on affordability as a clause, however it is a right

[michiganFats]

If water is a right, why do I have to pay for it?

You're not paying for the water, you're paying for treatment and delivery.

[michiganFats]

Reasonable, now vote in politicians that agree with your stance.

Four posts, four goalpost shifts. That's talent.