This Is Why Trump Is Failing

[aboutime]

Sorry, I thought you might have something worthwhile to add, my apologies.

Thank you Kathianne. I now know who you really are here. Your answer could have come from petey.

[Kathianne]

Thank you Kathianne. I now know who you really are here. Your answer could have come from petey.

Oh, the arrow! Somehow I'll survive.

Seems like there's lots of remorse not being admitted.

[hjmick]

The only people who insist Trump is failing are those who put their hatred of Trump, ahead of the entire nation.

And the only people who can't admit the man is struggling, in trouble, and possibly in over his head are the ones with their heads up their asses.

[aboutime]

Oh, the arrow! Somehow I'll survive.

Seems like there's lots of remorse not being admitted.

I should just tell you this

[pete311]

This thread has turned into a microcosm of our current political situation.

[aboutime]

This thread has turned into a microcosm of our current political situation.

Who asked you?

[michiganFats]

I believe that the President is supposed to lead, especially the party he's the head of. McConnell likely had the votes, was concerned about AK. Next thing known, she's threatened with withdrawal of money for the state. Thus, she voted against. Not bright.

Then when he doesn't 'win' which will happen more often than not, it's everyone else's fault.

It's a fractured party, has been for years, though this campaign is likely to result in a splinter party, which may be what the country needs. There are many that will not be associated with the stench coming off this now, which was unnecessary.

If Murkowski made her decision based on that instead of the legislation at hand then I think that reflects poorly upon her. And only her.

[pete311]

Who asked you?

You are lost at sea, come back to shore.

[aboutime]

You are lost at sea, come back to shore.

Fine example for us here from petey of 'Stupid is, as Stupid does!'

[NightTrain]

Murkowski was going to vote against in any event - we all knew it from the get-go. The applied leverage (which I applaud btw) was a desperate move to coerce her to do the right thing, but she went against anyway. She's possibly the most liberal GOP Senator in the GOP right now, which is embarrassing for me. Collins is just as bad if not worse.

And I have to agree with MF - it's not Trump's arena to be GOP whip. He can assist when he wants something, but the failure lies entirely on Congress.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I believe that the President is supposed to lead, especially the party he's the head of. McConnell likely had the votes, was concerned about AK. Next thing known, she's threatened with withdrawal of money for the state. Thus, she voted against. Not bright.

Then when he doesn't 'win' which will happen more often than not, it's everyone else's fault.

It's a fractured party, has been for years, though this campaign is likely to result in a splinter party, which may be what the country needs. There are many that will not be associated with the stench coming off this now, which was unnecessary.

Sadly, the Obama set the new standard, IN THAT == the socialist mainstream media now leads the nation.
Trump now faces battling standards and groups empowered by 8 long years of that unification between Obama the socialist/Christian hating puke and the socialist Conservative/Christian /Republican hating media..
Who can deny the power of that organized media machine and its billionaire star Soros and his agenda?
Certainly rivals the power of the President as public opinion being swayed , persuades SENATORS AND CONGRESS CRITTERS TO GO AGAINST THEIR OWN PARTY'S PRESIDENT--WHICH RARELY EVER HAPPENED WITH OBAMA.

Trump is not perfect and has faults ( who doesn't?), but they are nowhere near as great as are being magnified, exaggerated about and outright lied about by media, and those vested in keeping the previous president and his damn nation weakening agenda in place, IMHO..-TYR

[Kathianne]

Related. While Trump likely wouldn't and couldn't do what Arnold did, he does face a GOP that is losing a significant portion of it's base, more than Trump is picking up from the disenfranchised Democrats and those that had given up.

He doesn't seem to care that he's driving away many who are those that usually would be bothering their representatives to vote certain ways. They are losing their party and really don't want to be associated with them.

Indeed, he appears to be actively working against Senators that have voted with him on nearly all issues, because they don't like HIM:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/1...2-0-will-back/

Breitbart On Bannon Exit: Get Ready For Arnold 2.0

ED MORRISSEYPosted at 4:41 pm on August 18, 2017


Just how devastating a political blow will Donald Trump suffer from cashiering Steve Bannon? Breitbart’s senior editor-at-large (and my pal) Joel Pollak argues that Trump just cut off his nose to spite his face, exiling his master strategist just when Trump needed him the most. All Republicans have to look forward to, Joel predicts, is a rerun of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s betrayal in California:

When he took office in 2003 as Governor of California, “The Terminator” carried the hopes of conservatives in the Golden State, who saw him as a vehicle for their ideas, even if he was not a doctrinaire conservative himself. The faltering California Republican Party looked to Schwarzenegger to reverse its long-term decline, and Republicans elsewhere saw his success as a model from which they could learn as they courted moderate, swing-state voters.


But after struggling with intense media criticism, and after losing a key referendum on reforms to state government, Schwarzenegger gave up on his agenda, and abandoned the political base that had brought him into office. He re-invented himself as a liberal, embracing policies such as California’s controversial cap-and-trade program, which had zero effect on climate change but has chased businesses, jobs, and middle-class families out of the state.


Politically, Schwarzenegger’s gambit was a success. He won re-election in 2006. But his second term was a disaster. When he left office in 2010, the state was in a financial shambles and the California Republican Party had begun a decline from which it still has not recovered.

This isn’t quite an apt comparison, at least not yet, because there’s not much to indicate that Trump will shift positions in the same manner Schwarzenegger did. Needless to say, Trump exhibits a whimsical attitude to policy preferences, especially in the specifics, but Trump went all-in with the nationalists well before Bannon came on board the campaign. Trump had tapped into that political vein on his own, and probably against the instincts of those close to him who still remain, such as Ivanka, Jared, and so on. Bannon’s entry to the campaign may have enhanced that approach and boosted its effectiveness, but it didn’t change Trump’s course. Why would leaving change it now?


Even without Bannon, however, there’s another check on that impulse. Schwarzenegger had enough clout on both sides of the aisle to have natural allies among Democrats. He read the writing on the wall and switched sides, and in large part California Democrats were happy to embrace the Hollywood A-lister. While he had campaigned hard and tough against the Democrats in 2003, he didn’t get excessively personal, and didn’t go out of his way to embrace their anathemas. Joel recalls Schwarzenegger being the last hope of conservatives, but he was mostly the last hope of Republicans. Conservatives wanted Tom McClintock, and predicted that Schwarzenegger would ruin them.


Trump simply doesn’t have that luxury. Democrats have demonized Trump to such a degree that they don’t want to have anything to do with him, even on infrastructure. Trump has made that easy for them with his reckless rhetoric and lack of message discipline, plus his personal attacks on their leadership. They’re planning to run the anti-Trump campaign in 2018, and after the midterms need to soften him up with enough body blows to win back the White House.


If Trump cuts ties with Republicans and populists, the dystopian future he faces would parallel that of another celebrity politician: Jesse Ventura. Ventura came into office promising reform as an outsider, but wound up alienating both parties and voters with nonsensical statements and self-serving stunts. Republicans and Democrats in Minnesota called a kind of truce to work out a veto-proof budget, cutting Ventura out of the loop, and he didn’t bother to run for a second term. I warned that might be the outcome of a Trump presidency in January 2016. If he tries to pull a Schwarzenegger, he’ll wind up doing The Full Ventura instead.


Trump’s smart enough to avoid that, though we’ll see if he does. So far, the furor of Bannon’s exit seems waaaaay overblown. At least for now, it’s all inside-the-Beltway noise, the kind of story that bores the populist voters outside of DC. Most of his voters have probably only the vaguest idea of who Bannon is, let alone think of him as Trump’s minder. They don’t care who has an office inside the West Wing — they worry far more about what Washington is doing for them, and too often to them to keep track of the scorecards. Trump knows that better than anyone.

[Kathianne]

Murkowski was going to vote against in any event - we all knew it from the get-go. The applied leverage (which I applaud btw) was a desperate move to coerce her to do the right thing, but she went against anyway. She's possibly the most liberal GOP Senator in the GOP right now, which is embarrassing for me. Collins is just as bad if not worse.

And I have to agree with MF - it's not Trump's arena to be GOP whip. He can assist when he wants something, but the failure lies entirely on Congress.

Actually everything I've read had her on the fence, up until the enforcement from Interior. Imagine if you were in her shoes, you would have gone along? I doubt it.

It's the whips jobs to do what they can, they need the WH to apply pressure when necessary, but hitting the state, rather than on a committee seat, is not the way.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

you are lost at sea, come back to shore.

so says the guy, on a deserted island, drinking liberal kool-aid and either running away from the truth when presented or else is quipping back with one-liners, false personal accusations and/or more stupidity.

Where is that poll??--tyr

[Kathianne]

so says the guy, on a deserted island, drinking liberal kool-aid and either running away from the truth when presented or else is quipping back with one-liners, false personal accusations and/or more stupidity.

Where is that poll??--tyr

That's funny!