You're less free on an American flight than on the streets of Havana

[Abbey Marie]

That may be and I act accordingly. All that I'm saying is that Mr. Castro is a better host than US based airlines. Let us not forget that I'm handing over my hard-earned money. Being able to be plausibly considered worse than the Castro brothers is not something to be proud of.

Unless the airline imprisoned these folks for misbehaving, I see no comparison whatsoever.

Are you a fan of all things Central and Latin American, or specifically Communists?

[tailfins]

Do you think passengers should be allowed to repeatedly curse or similar at the flight attendants? Do you think the attendants should have to put up with any abuse from customers? Simply paying for a ticket doesn't suddenly give anyone any rights to act like rude or harassing idiots.

There's a pattern. Basic what's expected is to be in fear from the time you enter the airport until you leave the destination airport. Airline employees are to be treated as masters will full power over passengers; I get it.

[tailfins]

Unless the airline imprisoned these folks for misbehaving, I see no comparison whatsoever.

Are you a fan of all things Central and Latin American, or specifically Communists?

Seeing Communists is my version of visiting a haunted house given that I abstain from anything occult related. When someone compares unfavorably to a Communist monster, that's not good.

[michiganFats]

I haven't read any stories about this where any one of the passengers support the airline's version of events. Delays happen, the airlines use a very long disclaimer, I understand all of that but if an airline has been paid to perform a service and can't reasonably do so then they need to do more than just keep people waiting for 6 hours or longer.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My son and new daughter in law recently went to Jamaica for a honeymoon. Going down went pretty smooth, but coming back was a different story. When they hit Chicago they were told there was a screw up in their itinerary and they were going to either have to spend the next 24 hours in Chicago waiting for a flight back to LaCrosse, WI, where they live and flew out of, or take a red eye to Madison and have to rent a car to drive home, 120 miles, worn out, and late at night.

I'll tell ya, I'd have been livid, but I wouldn't have taken it out on the people that I was dealing with because one, it's not their fault, and two, they really can't do anything about it. If you need to vent, you need to vent to the right people, the ones that screwed up your flight.

[tailfins]

My son and new daughter in law recently went to Jamaica for a honeymoon. Going down went pretty smooth, but coming back was a different story. When they hit Chicago they were told there was a screw up in their itinerary and they were going to either have to spend the next 24 hours in Chicago waiting for a flight back to LaCrosse, WI, where they live and flew out of, or take a red eye to Madison and have to rent a car to drive home, 120 miles, worn out, and late at night.

I'll tell ya, I'd have been livid, but I wouldn't have taken it out on the people that I was dealing with because one, it's not their fault, and two, they really can't do anything about it. If you need to vent, you need to vent to the right people, the ones that screwed up your flight.

Venting isn't productive. Plotting and planning is a great substitute. Focusing on gathering evidence and visualizing how good it will feel to get that pound of flesh provides more satisfaction.

[jimnyc]

There's a pattern. Basic what's expected is to be in fear from the time you enter the airport until you leave the destination airport. Airline employees are to be treated as masters will full power over passengers; I get it.

I don't believe that. I've flown a fair amount and never had trouble, but then again I have always been mostly pleasant with the folks that have to be on the same sardine can as I do.

Yes, they do have the power to get you tossed. But I don't think I've seen anyone get tossed for literally no reason. There's usually reasoning and something that brought it to that level.

Airplanes and flights suck. Too many people and always cramped, too many delays & just generally not great experiences. Folks tend to get their angers going. The flight attendants are not why there are delays. They are there to help folks get in and out, to help with drinks & top help keep things in the cabins orderly until the aircraft can land safely. They shouldn't have to deal with people harassing them, yelling, cursing, non-stop complaining or whatever - that is not their jobs. And when folks get like that, it's difficult for the one or 2 on board to now properly attend to the entire airplane.

[revelarts]

real soup NAZI,
and people just TAKE IT... because AMERICA"s so Great.. I mean the SOUP is so great.
people should just STFU!! and be grateful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgI7XsY0WQ

[Black Diamond]

You went for the strawman so i accommodated.

[jimnyc]

real soup NAZI,
and people just TAKE IT... because AMERICA"s so Great.. I mean the SOUP is so great.
people should just STFU!! and be grateful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgI7XsY0WQ

Or simply not harass or be rude with folks you don't know and/or who did nothing to you. That's how I roll when flying and I never had a peep of a problem with a single flight attendant.

Folks are awfully quick to jump on "authorities" or the attendants, and I'm sure there are times that they don't act accordingly.

But being removed from an aircraft - almost every single one of them is due to an unruly passenger.

This has NOTHING to do with "just stfu and be grateful" and no one has stated as much. YOU like to exaggerate all the time and make things sound worse, because you hate any type of authority and somehow they're always wrong.

But nothing about the passengers.

[revelarts]

...This has NOTHING to do with "just stfu and be grateful" and no one has stated as much. YOU like to exaggerate all the time and make things sound worse, because you hate any type of authority and somehow they're always wrong.

Yep, somehow I've managed to fly all my life, without any altercations with crew or fellow flyers. Then again, I tend to do what asked when reasonable. I do understand the plane was delayed, do these folks think it was just them? Everyone, including the crew were taking off late.

And? What's your point? You fly, you're in their house.
If I so choose, you're less free in my house than you are on the streets of Havana. My house, my rules
Anyone who doesn't understand that concept, well, drive. And get a fucking clue.

Exactly. Keep your fucking mouth shut.

I guess i did add the "be grateful" part.
but im not exaggerating, that sentiment is repeated through out the board by various people often when they don't like what people are complaining about.
as in sitting down for the anthem? SHOCK they are rich because America implying they should be gratful.
It's not an exaggeration at all... it's an APPLICATION of the general sentiment.
that's something that we have never been able to get togther on meaning wise.

with others you understand it, but when i do it, you want to call me out as lying or exaggerating.
we disagree.

But " Keep your fucking mouth shut." as hymick said IS basically the same as STFU isn't Jim?
or am i exaggerating. sheesh.


As far as my HATE of any authority and SOMEHOW saying they are always wrong.
1st If I ever said that YOU ALWAYS did XYZ, I think you'd be extremely upset.
If I said you HATE any legit group, you'd be upset and say i was lying.

please you know me better than that.
But, no matter what positive I post about various authorities folks seem to assume the worse.
whatever, no problem people have said worse about me here as well.


But concerning THIS situation

From the news reports we read

Whitney’s post says her and her father were privately discussing the “awful travel experience and customer service” of the airline, which prompted them to be removed from the flight.

The passenger who recorded the video said she has never met the Millers and they are strangers to her. She said she did not hear them say anything offensive and that the flight attendant was eavesdropping into their private conversation. She also said the clapping in the video was prompted by other passengers supporting what Eric Miller was heard saying to the flight crew while being escorted off, showing support for the family.

SO it's not just the Millers word against the flight crew it's the eyewitness passengers as well.
but maybe all the passengers on the flight "hate any type of authority and somehow they're always wrong."
Or MAYBE that WAS ME on the plane recordeing and leading the clapping against authority.

Jim why is this aspect of the story ignored and you and others here assume the Airline to be in the right? Are you being objective?
Is it that even if the airline is wrong they are right because it's their plane and they can do whatevr the F they want?
Look it seems to me the there is GOOD REASON believe the Millers OVER the airlines.
it's not just "HATE of any Authority."

So Maybe you believe the airline over the eyewitnesses and other clapping passengers because you have a LOVE for ALL authority no matter what, and HATE EVERYONE that dares question authority?
hmm?
is that fair to say Jim?

[Black Diamond]

Rev see my above post

[Black Diamond]

Rev see my above post

Also it was the ubiquitous you. And it is their house. Their rules. Just try to have some understanding of the stress they are under because of 911

[michiganFats]

Also it was the ubiquitous you. And it is their house. Their rules. Just try to have some understanding of the stress they are under because of 911

It's not their house, they're running a business.

[Black Diamond]

It's not their house, they're running a business.

I say it's both.