Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanTUba
"Predict" that winter will be cold? Yeah, we really need someone to do that for us.

Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
One of the coldest- your heros' models never predicted that.

Which winter are you talking about? Because last year's was the 14th warmest on record since 1881, according to surface temperature measurements. I constructed the following rankings using the data set available here: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt

1 2007
2 2005
3 2002
4 2004
5 1998
6 2006
7 1999
8 2003
9 1995
10 1882
11 1988
12 1991
13 2001
14 2008
15 1981
16 1996
17 1983
18 1997
19 1980
20 2000
21 1990
22 1992
23 1987
24 1926
25 1958


Here's a similar ranking using this dataset, which measures both land and ocean temperatures: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt

1 2007
2 2002
3 2004
4 1998
5 2005
6 2006
7 1999
8 2003
9 1995
10 1988
11 1991
12 1983
13 2008
14 2000
15 1992
16 1996
17 2001
18 1981
19 1944
20 1997
21 1990
22 1980
23 1958
24 1973
25 1993


If you're referring to last winter, what data set are you using? I'm having trouble finding one that would rank last winter any lower than in the top 15 warmest winters since 1881.