The Global Warming Conspiracy

[glockmail]

.....This means without CO2, the Earth would be 0.12 * 70 = 8.4 degrees F cooler. So obviously - an increase or decrease of 35% in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere can have an effect of a few degrees F.....

Obviously? You mean "simplistically", don't you? First of all, that’s a bullshit calculation, secondly, your extrapolation has no scientific basis.

Have you figured out why we should be exploiting natural gas reserves to fight global warming yet? As I recall that was the reason why you pussied out of this discussion a few months back.

[SpidermanTUba]

Obviously? You mean "simplistically", don't you? First of all, that’s a bullshit calculation, secondly, your extrapolation has no scientific basis.

How is it bullshit? What's wrong with the scientific basis I provided? Did you check out the sources? No. Of course not. You just declare it untrue and move on. You aren't terribly interested in factual reality, are you?

[glockmail]

How is it bullshit? What's wrong with the scientific basis I provided? Did you check out the sources? No. Of course not. You just declare it untrue and move on. You aren't terribly interested in factual reality, are you?

As I said earlier- too simplistic. Your "sources" couldn't predict last winter's record cold, and you expect them to predict global warming.

Still confused about natural gas?

[theHawk]

Ahh! You appear to be using the 4th law of thermodynamics, the one the scientists don't want you to know about:

It's called Exxon's 4th Law of Thermodynamics:

"If the temperature of a system can be affected by natural means, it is physically impossible for it to be affected by artificial means."

I never said its impossible for it to be affected by artificial means. I guess the only way you can debate anything is by putting words in other people's mouths.

The FACT is global temperatures have been rising since the last ice age. We are near the peak that the planet has reached many times in the past naturally. This is a FACT that global warmining alarmists fail to mention. There is a good chance all the shit we put up into the atmosphere is causing problems, but its probably small compared to what is already naturally happening.

[SpidermanTUba]

As I said earlier- too simplistic. Your "sources" couldn't predict last winter's record cold, and you expect them to predict global warming.

Still confused about natural gas?

"Predict" that winter will be cold? Yeah, we really need someone to do that for us.

[SpidermanTUba]

I never said its impossible for it to be affected by artificial means. I guess the only way you can debate anything is by putting words in other people's mouths.

The FACT is global temperatures have been rising since the last ice age. We are near the peak that the planet has reached many times in the past naturally.

Temperatures haven't risen this quickly on Earth in the past several hundred thousand years at least.

This is a FACT that global warmining alarmists fail to mention.

I use scientists as my sources, not "alarmists", and its hardly a fact they've failed to mention.

There is a good chance all the shit we put up into the atmosphere is causing problems, but its probably small compared to what is already naturally happening.

Oh, well we'll just accept your bullshit guesswork as the "true science" and ignore the professionals with all the data.

[red states rule]

[SpidermanTUba]

Better chance it ends up underwater.

[red states rule]

Better chance it ends up underwater.

[emmett]

Temperatures haven't risen this quickly on Earth in the past several hundred thousand years at least.

Ah...........how fast is that?



I use scientists as my sources, not "alarmists", and its hardly a fact they've failed to mention.





Oh, well we'll just accept your bullshit guesswork as the "true science" and ignore the professionals with all the data.

Like Al Gore?

[emmett]

[QUOTE=SpidermanTUba;268451]How do you think the greenhouse effect works? You are aware that it would be about 70 degrees farenheit cooler on the Earth's surface if there were no greenhouse gasses?

And like I said before, the vast majority of gas in the atmosphere - O2 and N2 do not absorb in the infrared bands. Its the small amount of CO2, water vapor, methane, and other gasses that cause the entire greenhouse effect. CO2 causes about 12% of the total effect. This means without CO2, the Earth would be 0.12 * 70 = 8.4 degrees F cooler. So obviously - an increase or decrease of 35% in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere can have an effect of a few degrees F.

http://www.ecolo.org/documents/docum...utions-GHG.htm
http://www.agu.org/journals/rg/v016/...i004p00465.pdf
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Here are my calculations!


90 degrees outside - relative humidity 74% = R134 in my AC X HIGH + ice cold coke in thick glass mug = comfortable x 1

[SpidermanTUba]

Like Al Gore?

No.

[Psychoblues]

Global warming is a fact, not a conspiracy. And it has exponentially risen in the industrial age. All credible information verifies that FACT. The debate is whether or not mankind is in some way responsible for at least part of the environmental equation. That also is a fact and not a conspiracy.

Even an elementary observation of the FACTS reveal the advent of the industrial age is somehow involved. Questions?

Can I get another mint julep:

[glockmail]

"Predict" that winter will be cold? Yeah, we really need someone to do that for us.

One of the coldest- your heros' models never predicted that.

I can see that you are still avoiding the natural gas issue. Eco-marxists don't want us to drill for that either. Why?

[Dilloduck]

Better chance it ends up underwater.

You paid up on your carbon credits ? If not I'm blaming you for New York drowning