Originally Posted by
Gnostic Christian Bishop
If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?
To sin is to do something immoral and thus create a victim to that sin.
I cannot see all sins as something that would condemn us to eternal suffering and death in hell or the lake of fire as that goes against the biblical notion of justice being an eye for an eye or that the penalty should fit the crime/sin.
What sin did Jesus do to earn his death?
I see Jesus’ death as more of suicide than sacrifice as he initiated his own suicide by getting Judas to betray him.
Could Jesus’ sin have been suicide?
If not, what do you think his sin was?
the apostle John answers with
1 John 3: 4-6
Everyone who commits sin breaks God’s law, for that is what sin is, by definition—a breaking of God’s law.
You know, moreover, that Christ became man for the purpose of removing sin, and he himself was quite free from sin.
the apostle Paul and the writer of Hebrews expand on those facts.
Romans 5But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us....
...Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
...The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous...
Hebrews 4Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 13The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.
Hebrew 7Human High Priests have always been changing, for death made a permanent appointment impossible.
But Christ, because he lives for ever, possesses a priesthood that needs no successor.
This means that he can save fully and completely those who approach God through him, for he is always living to intercede on their behalf.
Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, beyond the very reach of sin and lifted to the very Heavens.
There is no need for him, like the High Priest we know, to offer up sacrifice, first for our own sins and then for the people’s.
He made one sacrifice, once for all, when he offered up himself.
so your definition of sin is somewhat off, and your assessment Jesus and his actions are way off.
end of story.
But If you want to MAKE UP or adhere to other ideas about God and Jesus and believe those, well, that's your choice. Have fun while you can.
But please don't pretend that your view is is somehow logical and based on scripture while you IGNORE the CLEARLY EXPRESSED teaching of the Apostles.
If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died, does that make Jesus a sinner?
