CNN Admits Trump Campaign Was Wiretapped

[jimnyc]

Here is his exact tweet. He clearly was claiming he was personally wire tapped.

"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

I read that to believe wires in the Trump building. And this sounds like it was Manafort directly. Does that include his home number? Cell? Number he had at Trump Tower?

I admit freely that it's not the same. But between fisa warrants and this, I have little doubt that they were being watched in various ways. And by they I mean the Trump "team". That's my opinion. I'm sure yours is that it was all on the up and up and everything was for good governmental and security reasons.

[Black Diamond]

I read that to believe wires in the Trump building. And this sounds like it was Manafort directly. Does that include his home number? Cell? Number he had at Trump Tower?

I admit freely that it's not the same. But between fisa warrants and this, I have little doubt that they were being watched in various ways. And by they I mean the Trump "team". That's my opinion. I'm sure yours is that it was all on the up and up and everything was for good governmental and security reasons.

If it's against trump, it's all good. By all means necessary. Stop the bigot misogynist.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Here is his exact tweet. He clearly was claiming he was personally wire tapped.

"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

Who owns "Trump Tower?"

"Clearly ALL the wires in Trump Tower are HIS."

[jimnyc]

If it's against trump, it's all good. By all means necessary. Stop the bigot misogynist.

You forgot racist.

[pete311]

Who owns "Trump Tower?"

"Clearly ALL the wires in Trump Tower are HIS."

mmmmm I don't think you really want to go down this rabbit hole. It's not the same thing legally. No landlord would consider themselves wire tapped if one of their tenants were.

This is exactly the danger of Trump's ambiguous tweets. What a waste of time we are having here debating what he meant.

[jimnyc]

mmmmm I don't think you really want to go down this rabbit hole. It's not the same thing legally. No landlord would consider themselves wire tapped if one of their tenants were.

This is exactly the danger of Trump's ambiguous tweets. What a waste of time we are having here debating what he meant.

I agree that the specifics are dumb to debate.... not because they aren't important though. Regardless of being spot on correct or not - the fact is, America was lied to about unmasking crap, as it turned out to be the truth. America was lied to about wire-tapping, as it did happen, but we don't know to the full extent just yet.

MY concern here is the intel agencies and what's truly going on behind the scenes. Being lied to, and scandals and such, makes me nervous to go down THAT rabbit hole.

[pete311]

I agree that the specifics are dumb to debate.... not because they aren't important though. Regardless of being spot on correct or not - the fact is, America was lied to about unmasking crap, as it turned out to be the truth. America was lied to about wire-tapping, as it did happen, but we don't know to the full extent just yet.

MY concern here is the intel agencies and what's truly going on behind the scenes. Being lied to, and scandals and such, makes me nervous to go down THAT rabbit hole.

It's not that simple. First obama didn't order anything. FBI and DOJ can act on that themselves. Second most questions were about trumps literal tweets. Trump Tower was not literally tapped. Manafort in Trump Tower was tapped. This has all been reported and examined before. Even Sessions DOJ came out with a statement that no wiretaps existed that are consistent with the march 4th tweets. This is why it's so difficult to discuss because we are arguing meaning and specifics.

[aboutime]

It's not that simple. First obama didn't order anything. FBI and DOJ can act on that themselves. Second most questions were about trumps literal tweets. Trump Tower was not literally tapped. Manafort in Trump Tower was tapped. This has all been reported and examined before. Even Sessions DOJ came out with a statement that no wiretaps existed that are consistent with the march 4th tweets. This is why it's so difficult to discuss because we are arguing meaning and specifics.

How do you know that? Anything you said above petey? Unless you are a member of the FBI, or DOJ. You can't even read, or understand your own words above. If Manafort was IN TRUMP TOWER....Then...YOU should be able to reason that TRUMP TOWER was tapped. Unless you have some super Liberal Powers that make your lies...Only true for you.

[jimnyc]

It's not that simple. First obama didn't order anything. FBI and DOJ can act on that themselves. Second most questions were about trumps literal tweets. Trump Tower was not literally tapped. Manafort in Trump Tower was tapped. This has all been reported and examined before. Even Sessions DOJ came out with a statement that no wiretaps existed that are consistent with the march 4th tweets. This is why it's so difficult to discuss because we are arguing meaning and specifics.

Where did I blame Obama? And yes, they can act by themselves - and now you see my hesitancy to trust them instantly at face value.

Again, I agree, those specifics don't matter. Let me even extend myself, which I don't believe, but let's just believe that I think Trump was 100% wrong.

With that said, the things about unmasking and wiretapping still happened. And that's merely just a tad on a long list of things that make them 'suspect' at times.

Holder, Lynch, Comey - the faces - all corrupt IMO, in one way or another. Lordy only knows what lies beneath.

[pete311]

How do you know that? Anything you said above petey? Unless you are a member of the FBI, or DOJ. You can't even read, or understand your own words above. If Manafort was IN TRUMP TOWER....Then...YOU should be able to reason that TRUMP TOWER was tapped. Unless you have some super Liberal Powers that make your lies...Only true for you.

If you read the reports and don't make assumptions then we can debate, if you're into pure conspiracy theory, then we are done.

[pete311]

Where did I blame Obama? And yes, they can act by themselves - and now you see my hesitancy to trust them instantly at face value.

Again, I agree, those specifics don't matter. Let me even extend myself, which I don't believe, but let's just believe that I think Trump was 100% wrong.

With that said, the things about unmasking and wiretapping still happened. And that's merely just a tad on a long list of things that make them 'suspect' at times.

Holder, Lynch, Comey - the faces - all corrupt IMO, in one way or another. Lordy only knows what lies beneath.

Once charges are announced from Mueller's team I'll be interested to see which "corruption" you end up defending.

[jimnyc]

Once charges are announced from Mueller's team I'll be interested to see which "corruption" you end up defending.

Unlike you, if there is evidence there, I will soundly condemn that person. Why would you think otherwise? Do I make a habit of defending corruption where there's proof? I don't think so, Pete, so unsure why you care to simply make things up. We may disagree politically, but that doesn't mean instantly that I am a hack when it comes to legalities. I think ANYONE that's ever crossed these parts will tell you how I feel about the rule of law, facts & evidence.

And it's very odd that you immediately come back with this - because I condemned Holder/Lynch/Comey. Why? Are they Democrats? Is there not lies and scandals to be found?

I'm sorry, Pete, but it's you who is burying your head & obfuscating the issues. Shit, no one was even discussing Mueller and yet you find a way to move there because you had no defense for what I wrote?

[aboutime]

If you read the reports and don't make assumptions then we can debate, if you're into pure conspiracy theory, then we are done.

BS. Until you decide to honestly answer some, or all of the questions I have asked of you over time. Nothing you say means anything, nor does it require a reply. Changing the subject to 'conspiracy theory', and 'assumptions' only makes you look worse, and proves how dedicated you are to avoid honestly answering any questions.
You also do not get to decide, without answering questions...when WE are done.

[aboutime]

Remember When James Clapper Categorically Denied Any Wiretap Against Trump Campaign?
by Larry O'Connor | 12:08 pm, September 19th, 2017

https://www.mediaite.com/columnists/...rump-campaign/

[pete311]

Remember When James Clapper Categorically Denied Any Wiretap Against Trump Campaign?
by Larry O'Connor | 12:08 pm, September 19th, 2017

https://www.mediaite.com/columnists/...rump-campaign/

It does appear he either misspoke, was uninformed, or lied. I would be interested in a follow up with him.