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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    I had plenty of books as a kid. Shows life has millions of factors and situations are always different.
    ...but the tenants of good behaviour and self-discipline are not full of millions of factors. Poor behaviour and lack of self-discipine is 98% bad parenting. I will allow for maybe 2 percent being a bona fide medical condition -but like Gluten allergy, i believe most parents claiming their kid has ADHD, etc, are using that popular diagnosis-of-behaviour as an excuse to not make the hard choices required to instill what needs to be instilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    ...but the tenants of good behaviour and self-discipline are not full of millions of factors. Poor behaviour and lack of self-discipine is 98% bad parenting. I will allow for maybe 2 percent being a bona fide medical condition -but like Gluten allergy, i believe most parents claiming their kid has ADHD, etc, are using that popular diagnosis-of-behaviour as an excuse to not make the hard choices required to instill what needs to be instilled.
    Yuppers. Saw a mom on line asking for opinions on what age young girls should get acrylic nails. Her daughter is 11. Most replies were that late middle school is the youngest, including nail techs who said it will damage her nails. (FYI, I said, why don't you encourage your daughter to appreciate her natural beauty?). Mom comes back with, "You know how relentless daughters can be", and proceeds to criticize all negative replies that were made, and then turns off further comments. Obviously, this 11 year old will soon be wearing fake nails. To me this is a good example of parenting failure on many levels. Poor kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Yuppers. Saw a mom on line asking for opinions on what age young girls should get acrylic nails. Her daughter is 11. Most replies were that late middle school is the youngest, including nail techs who said it will damage her nails. (FYI, I said, why don't you encourage your daughter to appreciate her natural beauty?). Mom comes back with, "You know how relentless daughters can be", and proceeds to criticize all negative replies that were made, and then turns off further comments. Obviously, this 11 year old will soon be wearing fake nails. To me this is a good example of parenting failure on many levels. Poor kid.
    I agree. There is too much of a rush to allow kids, especially girls, to be on the cutting edge of fashion and trends in general. Now Ali is only 3, but I was very happy to hear my daughter tell her that she wasn't going to buy her some toy, that her preschool friends have. There are times that I want to roll my eyes when it seems that the darling granddaughter calls too many shots, but did notice this visit that the parents are starting to recognize it and rein her in a bit. Kendall actually said, "Ali, you're the kid, I'm the mom. When you are mom, you will get to tell your kid what to do." Hello! Finally. I think it's only child syndrome, they can't have anymore, but kudos to both parents that are at least beginning to realize they don't want a monster child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I agree. There is too much of a rush to allow kids, especially girls, to be on the cutting edge of fashion and trends in general. Now Ali is only 3, but I was very happy to hear my daughter tell her that she wasn't going to buy her some toy, that her preschool friends have. There are times that I want to roll my eyes when it seems that the darling granddaughter calls too many shots, but did notice this visit that the parents are starting to recognize it and rein her in a bit. Kendall actually said, "Ali, you're the kid, I'm the mom. When you are mom, you will get to tell your kid what to do." Hello! Finally. I think it's only child syndrome, they can't have anymore, but kudos to both parents that are at least beginning to realize they don't want a monster child.
    Good job, parents.

    I really dislike the mom saying that she is essentially helpless to say no because her daughter is relentless. That is exactly why ​you need to say no!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Good job parents.

    i really dislike the mom's saying that she is essentially helpless to say no because her daughter is relentless. That is exactly why ​you need to say no!
    Kids figure out when they can 'wear someone down.' Parent or peer, doesn't matter. What's sad is that kids don't want to be in control, they actually do know they shouldn't be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    ...but the tenants of good behaviour and self-discipline are not full of millions of factors. Poor behaviour and lack of self-discipine is 98% bad parenting.
    I am not a parent, but I believe it's not so easy unless you want to sap the kid out of the kid and create some kind of militaristic Chinese environment where the kid ends up committing suicide under the pressure. So what is the line between letting a kid be a kid, aka make mistakes, and calling them undisciplined?

    I'm not talking about honey boo boo parents, they are on the margins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    I am not a parent, but I believe it's not so easy unless you want to sap the kid out of the kid and create some kind of militaristic Chinese environment where the kid ends up committing suicide under the pressure. So what is the line between letting a kid be a kid, aka make mistakes, and calling them undisciplined?

    I'm not talking about honey boo boo parents, they are on the margins.
    it's easy. It really is easy. in fact, requiring self-control often helps the creative process. You go to such extremes, ya know? In your reply? Growing-kids to respect themselves, NOT lust after themselves (id est, the self-entitled snowflake pussies we see on Watter's World videos); growing kids to be well-behaved is pretty simple in the plan.

    When the kids are young, and they misbehave. Spank them. Couple swats through their diaper to get their attention. When they run out towards the street and you yell "STOP!" and they keep going? Spank them a little harder. The key is the kids learn to obey first, question second. As my kids grew they learnt physics about 'objects in motion'. They started to understand cars DO run kids over. See, the kids misbehaving is NOT about me. Them being assholes is about THEM - growing up an asshole makes one's life harder. My goal as a parent is to help them remove from their lives things that will hinder their growth (unless they become a democrat, then being an asshole is probably key to securing the democratic nomination). Until then it was best the kids simply trust me. Their Dad.

    It's a lot like a God relationship for me. I wonder if God ever gets frustrated about the crap I do - frustrated because I set myself back in terms of my growth. I wonder if God gets frustrated at YOU pete because he's given you ALL the answers in your quest to connect with your creator and you ignore them all. the. time.
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