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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    Hey, I am listing the accomlishments of Bills eight years. Do we want more with a Hillary administration?


    - Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
    - Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
    - Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
    - Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

    http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
    can you post the same figures for those categories having to do with the Reagan administration, while you're at it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    can you post the same figures for those categories having to do with the Reagan administration, while you're at it?
    FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.

    I don't remember - 71
    I don't know - 62
    I'm not sure - 17
    I have no idea - 10
    I don't believe so - 9
    I don't recall - 8
    I don't think so - 8
    I don't have any specific recollection - 6
    I have no recollection - 4
    Not to my knowledge - 4
    I just don't remember - 4
    I don't believe - 4
    I have no specific recollection - 3
    I might have - 3
    I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
    I don't have any memory of that - 2
    I just can't say - 2
    I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
    I don't have any idea - 2
    Not that I recall - 2
    I don't believe I did - 2
    I can't remember - 2
    I can't say - 2
    I do not remember doing so - 2
    Not that I remember - 2
    I'm not aware - 1
    I honestly don't know - 1
    I don't believe that I did - 1
    I'm fairly sure - 1
    I have no other recollection - 1
    I'm not positive - 1
    I certainly don't think so - 1
    I don't really remember - 1
    I would have no way of remembering that - 1
    That's what I believe happened - 1
    To my knowledge, no - 1
    To the best of my knowledge - 1
    To the best of my memory - 1
    I honestly don't recall - 1
    I honestly don't remember - 1
    That's all I know - 1
    I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
    I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
    As far as I know - 1
    I don't believe I ever did that - 1
    That's all I know about that - 1
    I'm just not sure - 1
    Nothing that I remember - 1
    I simply don't know - 1
    I would have no idea - 1
    I don't know anything about that - 1
    I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
    I just don't know - 1
    I really don't know - 1
    I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

    http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

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    still waiting for the numbers from the Reagan administration..... and while you're at it...get Nixon's too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    still waiting for the numbers from the Reagan administration..... and while you're at it...get Nixon's too!
    DOMESTIC DELIVERANCE
    Domestically, Reagan's most enduring success was in tax policy. When he took office, the top federal tax rate was an abusive 70 percent — a rate sure to discourage entrepreneurship by unfairly confiscating well over half the earnings of creative risk-takers. Reagan left office having lowered the top rate to 28 percent. Although it crept back up to nearly 40 percent under the George H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations, America's entrepreneurs today know that the government will take no more than half the fruits of their labor.

    By making sure that the top 10 percent of income earners received a fair share of the tax relief, Reagan guaranteed that the people most likely to create jobs, invent new products, and promote economic growth could look forward to enjoying the fruits of their labor rather than being discouraged by the prospect of envy-based confiscation. One of the longest economic booms in American history resulted.

    In this regard, Ronald Reagan was a worthy successor to John F. Kennedy, who lowered the top rate from 90 percent to 70 percent. Moreover, the Reagan and Kennedy tax cuts made the tax system fairer by removing punitive levels of taxation based on malicious envy.

    Reagan's economic vision and the success of his policies moved the entire American political and economic paradigm many large steps in the free-market direction. The Democratic party, post-Reagan, celebrates free markets; and modern Democrats are, as the Green party rightly points out, very different from the 1970s party that pushed the Humphrey-Hawkins bill through Congress, promising that government would be an employer of last resort.

    Domestically, Reagan significantly reduced the size of the federal government in his first term. Unfortunately, though, he tended to cut programs rather than eliminate them, and today most of the programs he cut in his 1981 budget are larger and more intrusive than ever before. Reagan was much more timid than his hero Jefferson in terminating federal programs.

    Like Jefferson, Reagan did not succeed in erecting new safeguards to constrain future government growth. Because Reagan's tax cuts did unleash tremendous economic growth, Reagan did not in the long run reduce net federal revenues available for spending. Indeed, his pro-growth economic policies raised revenues, making more money available for the appropriators and regulators.

    Welfare reform under Reagan was confined to small, tepid steps, and the promise to abolish the Department of Education was abandoned for lack of Congressional support. As a result, federal interference with education today is worse than ever.

    Even so, in tens of thousands of different ways, the men and women Reagan brought into federal service made the federal government less burdensome to the American people. Government control of political speech in the media in the form of the "fairness doctrine" was abolished, allowing AM radio stations to begin employing hosts who specialized in political commentary.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/...0406081003.asp

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    missing all those reagan administration indictments... don't you have a cut and paste that is on topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    missing all those reagan administration indictments... don't you have a cut and paste that is on topic?
    That is all the moonbat left have to say about Ronald Reagan

    They are still pissed how he danced rings around the Dems and cleaned up the mess pres Peanut left behind

    And how he brought down the Soviet Union without firign a shot

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    Hey .... Ronnie did some great stuff. Clinton did some great stuff too, and when someone on this thread mentioned that, you immediately dragged out your numbers of indictments cut and paste.... I asked you to give equal time to all of the reagan administration legal troubles as well.... why aren't you willing to do that? would it be because you are nothing but a political hack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    Hey .... Ronnie did some great stuff. Clinton did some great stuff too, and when someone on this thread mentioned that, you immediately dragged out your numbers of indictments cut and paste.... I asked you to give equal time to all of the reagan administration legal troubles as well.... why aren't you willing to do that? would it be because you are nothing but a political hack?
    I was defending Bill. I posted his accomplishements and RECORDS that his adminstration set. I was also saying what we can expect from Hillary - since she was Co President

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    I just ask you to post the same statistics about Reagan achievements in the area of staff indictments and convictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    I just ask you to post the same statistics about Reagan achievements in the area of staff indictments and convictions.
    I posted the accomplishments of both Clinton and Pres Reagan.

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    Last edited by retiredman; 10-11-2007 at 08:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red states rule View Post
    That is all the moonbat left have to say about Ronald Reagan

    They are still pissed how he danced rings around the Dems and cleaned up the mess pres Peanut left behind

    And how he brought down the Soviet Union without firign a shot
    Delusional at best. You have been informed several times by people on this board how RR did nothing but be credited with things beyond his ability. To discuss with you about real world going on is futile.
    A chance for a new beginning, like a dawn of reconciliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    Delusional at best. You have been informed several times by people on this board how RR did nothing but be credited with things beyond his ability. To discuss with you about real world going on is futile.
    When Pres Reagan took over form Pres Peanut, the Us suffered with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, and near double digit unemployment

    The top tax rate was 70%

    Pres Reagan cut taxes and unleashed the US economy. Revenues to the Federal government DOUBLED to over $1 trillion in eight years

    People thanked Pres Reagan with a 49 state re-electionwin in 1984

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    If I had a checkbook with an unlimited credit line and I never had to pay anything but the interest payments, I could make a lot of people happy. Reagan did just that. Look at what happened to the deficit under his "stewardship".

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    Quote Originally Posted by manfrommaine View Post
    If I had a checkbook with an unlimited credit line and I never had to pay anything but the interest payments, I could make a lot of people happy. Reagan did just that. Look at what happened to the deficit under his "stewardship".
    Yes, a prime rate of 21% under Pres Peanut, gas prices doubled overnight, Amercians held hostage for 444 days, Japan taking over the auto industry, and stagflation

    and libs say how rotten the Bush economy is

    Reagan turned it all around - even NY and CA voted for him in 04

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