Want Socialized Medicine? Great. I'd Be Dead

[-Cp]

A good article from someone who would've died under Socialized Medicine:

http://sippicancottage.blogspot.com/...eat-id-be.html

[darin]

everytime I hear about sociaized Medicine I think of my experience dealing with the VA Health Care system. It blows - no offense to the employees - it's just the Govt does a MUCH better job killing people and keeping them safe, than treating them.

[glockmail]

everytime I hear about sociaized Medicine I think of my experience dealing with the VA Health Care system. It blows - no offense to the employees - it's just the Govt does a MUCH better job killing people and keeping them safe, than treating them.

No shit. My uncle got major messed up in a VA hospital- Charleston Naval Yard. He went in for a broken leg, buff, late 20's, one year out of the Mrines, and came out 18 months later a drug addict and 20# of steel in his leg.

[Hagbard Celine]

So right now all of England and France and Canada and Norway and etc. all have longer life spans and better health than US residents because their government healthcare systems don't work? Riiiiight. Can you guys mail me some of what you're smoking?

[darin]

So right now all of England and France and Canada and Norway and etc. all have longer life spans and better health than US residents because their government healthcare systems don't work? Riiiiight. Can you guys mail me some of what you're smoking?

First you'd need to prove the connection between obscene taxes/socialized Medicine and 'longer life spans'. You'd also have to quantify what 'better' means in your 'better health care' claim.

[Trigg]

So right now all of England and France and Canada and Norway and etc. all have longer life spans and better health than US residents because their government healthcare systems don't work? Riiiiight. Can you guys mail me some of what you're smoking?

Are you reading what people are writing??? They are saying...and rightly so....that the US gov. does a crappy job at the hospitals they are in charge of right now. I'd hate to see what they'd do if put in charge of all the other hospitals.

[Hagbard Celine]

First you'd need to prove the connection between obscene taxes/socialized Medicine and 'longer life spans'. You'd also have to quantify what 'better' means in your 'better health care' claim.

I didn't mention taxes here. The connection is that all these countries have government healthcare that covers all citizens and coincidentally, all of these countries' citizens live longer than US citizens. They also have lower infant mortality rates. Lower obesity rates, etc. -I know that's not related to healthcare per se, but still...http://breitbart.com/article.php?id=...show_article=1

We all know US citizens pay more per capita for healthcare than any other country on Earth. Yet we have more citizens who aren't covered than any other western country and we rank 42nd in the world for lifespans. What are we paying for? And how can we say we stand for protecting human life when a huge amount of our own citizens aren't even covered if they get sick? It's a joke.

[Hagbard Celine]

Are you reading what people are writing??? They are saying...and rightly so....that the US gov. does a crappy job at the hospitals they are in charge of right now. I'd hate to see what they'd do if put in charge of all the other hospitals.

Well then I guess we're stuck. It seems the only options are "incompetent US government" or money-hungry corporations who don't give a flying sh*t about you or me. I don't like either choice.

[darin]

I didn't mention taxes here. The connection is that all these countries have government healthcare that covers all citizens and coincidentally, all of these countries' citizens live longer than US citizens. They also have lower infant mortality rates. Lower obesity rates, etc. -I know that's not related to healthcare per se, but still...http://breitbart.com/article.php?id=...show_article=1

Socialized Medicine = Vile, offensive, HUGE tax increases. None of those claims you've made have anything to do with Socialized Medicine - there is no cause and effect.

We all know US citizens pay more per capita for healthcare than any other country on Earth.

...because we let Health Care remain largely Private.

Yet we have more citizens who aren't covered than any other western country and we rank 42nd in the world for lifespans. What are we paying for? And how can we say we stand for protecting human life when a huge amount of our own citizens aren't even covered if they get sick? It's a joke.

Health Insurance isn't a right. Not having health insurance is ONLY a problem for sick people. You don't stand for protecting human life - it's horrible you, of all people, raise that standard.

[Hagbard Celine]

Socialized Medicine = Vile, offensive, HUGE tax increases. None of those claims you've made have anything to do with Socialized Medicine - there is no cause and effect.



...because we let Health Care remain largely Private.



Health Insurance isn't a right. Not having health insurance is ONLY a problem for sick people. You don't stand for protecting human life - it's horrible you, of all people, raise that standard.

Of course you're referring to my pro-abortion stance. Which is a misnomer. I'm not FOR abortion. I recognize it as a necessity in a free society. What you're saying is that living, breathing people don't deserve to be taken care of when they get sick or injured. To me, this is more evil and horrid than anything I can think of short of dropping someone off in the middle of the desert naked and wishing them luck.

[Monkeybone]

how many of the places that have a higher life span and lower obseity rates lack a McDonalds. that is what's wrong with the US. MICKYD"S! damn them and there semi-cheap and fast serving food in all of it's artery clogging goodness. and the UK..you can't even get peanut butter there without going to certain stores...i mean come on!

so with taxes being hiked up wouldn't it be the same as having an insurance plan anyways?

for the ton of Westeners that don't have insurance, how many are illegals? or theirs just haven't activated yet? or some ppl even chose not to have the stuff so they can have the extra money in the pocket.

would they be able to make a socialized med for ppl that want it and then ppl that don't want it don't have to have and can keep the private policy? isn't there also a good number of ppl that, yes there is socialized med, but they have private anyways?

[Trigg]

Canada's healthcare system.


http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_sect...lation_id=3621

Surveys report that more than 4 million Canadians can't find a family physician to care for them. In 2002, it was estimated that Canada was short 3000 family physicians, and that the situation was getting worse. In 2004, it was estimated that another 1400 family physicians would retire in the following two years.



http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page9.html

1. Individually, Canadians spend about $3300 per capita on health care.

2. While the health care system in Canada covers basic services, including primary care physicians and hospitals, there are many services that are not covered. These include things like dental services, optometrists, and prescription medications.

3. For those requiring services that may not be covered under provincial health insurance such as corrective lenses, medications, or home care, a private insurance plan offsets such medical expenses.

[Nukeman]

I posted this in another thread...

The Canadian Health System has many flaws, one of which is the under staffing of physicians.

10% of ALL Canadians can not even get into see a General Practicioner due to no more time or space in their VERY busy schedules. (thts 3.3 million people almost half of the chronicly US citizens that are without insurance for more than 2 years)

The average wait time for Diagnostic services (lab, x-ray, cardiac sreening) is 3 weeks. Once you get into seeing your specialist tht you waited 4 weeks to get into see, of course than you have to wait an average of 4 weeks to get into the surgical center to have your non-emergent surgery.

For those of you keeping count that is 11 weeks to have your surgery.



This same situation in the US takes less than a week on most cases..


As for the Life expectancy, do you really mean to tell me that .3-2 years difference is really about the health care... Or is it more likely diet, lifestyle, or as in most European countries LESS WORK. The average US worker puts in substantialy more hours per year than their European counter part.

Let us not forget that when we look at life expectancies it only takes a couple of "gang bangers" to drasticly bring down the curve.. If you have one person live to be 100 and one dies in gang violence at the age of 16 their combined life expectancy is 58 now is that really a measure of our health system.....

[darin]

What you're saying is that living, breathing people don't deserve to be taken care of when they get sick or injured.

www.rif.org

www.hop.org

BOTH of those sites MAY help your comprehension.

[Nukeman]

www.rif.org

www.hop.org

BOTH of those sites MAY help your comprehension.

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