UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender

[jimnyc]

Wow. So if I am in the UK, and I own a similar website, and it has a lot of volume - and I post as I do - passionately about things I believe in, or disagree in - I am risking jail time for speaking about the negative things I disagree with? Yikes! Between the trannies and the sickening disease islam, I would be getting back to back to back 6 year sentences left and right!!

Your thoughts, @Drummond ? I know you're about freedom, but have to live under this type of umbrella.

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UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender

People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has drafted changes to public order offences, including anyone perceived as targeting online a “protected characteristics” including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment.”

The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”

If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.

The Sentencing Council believes that the use of social media, YouTube, and other “websites” to stir hatred is a growing problem – despite the number of prosecutions remain relatively low.

“Volumes of these offences are extremely low and there have been no offenders sentenced for some offences,” the Sentencing Council said.

“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue.

Rest - http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...ion-or-gender/

[Drummond]

Wow. So if I am in the UK, and I own a similar website, and it has a lot of volume - and I post as I do - passionately about things I believe in, or disagree in - I am risking jail time for speaking about the negative things I disagree with? Yikes! Between the trannies and the sickening disease islam, I would be getting back to back to back 6 year sentences left and right!!

Your thoughts, @Drummond ? I know you're about freedom, but have to live under this type of umbrella.

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UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender

People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has drafted changes to public order offences, including anyone perceived as targeting online a “protected characteristics” including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment.”

The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”

If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.

The Sentencing Council believes that the use of social media, YouTube, and other “websites” to stir hatred is a growing problem – despite the number of prosecutions remain relatively low.

“Volumes of these offences are extremely low and there have been no offenders sentenced for some offences,” the Sentencing Council said.

“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue.

Rest - http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...ion-or-gender/

Well .. it's amazing to consider how malleable people can be. I am used to this sort of environment, and just think (or feel, anyway) that it's 'normal'.

What is 'interesting' is that we have all this, under our CONSERVATIVE Government ... and that said Government considers that what it's doing is a vote-winning strategy.

Of course, the real fault comes from our Socialists. We've had many of their Governments, and all of this controlling trend started with them. You see ... the biggest danger that comes from Socialist rule is that people are persuaded of their point of view, sufficiently to think that laws of this nature can be needed, and are to be preferred. Once Socialists have gained power for long enough, the very thinking of the people who vote is altered. So, the rot sets in, and so today, Conservatives - who want to be elected, after all ! - have to be a part of the process.

People here consider laws such as these 'hatethink' ones to be necessary for the sake of civilising attitudes. They're considered the mark of a decent society !! Consequently, if you disagree, you're uncivilised, intolerant, etc ...

That's the key. Convince people of the need for such laws on grounds of human decency, and the vast majority will applaud them.

In a nutshell: say what you want. Just expect to take the consequences afterwards, if you do.

... and part of why I like to post here is that this forum comes from a society where I feel REAL freedom !!

[Gunny]

Wow. So if I am in the UK, and I own a similar website, and it has a lot of volume - and I post as I do - passionately about things I believe in, or disagree in - I am risking jail time for speaking about the negative things I disagree with? Yikes! Between the trannies and the sickening disease islam, I would be getting back to back to back 6 year sentences left and right!!

Your thoughts, @Drummond ? I know you're about freedom, but have to live under this type of umbrella.

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UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender

People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has drafted changes to public order offences, including anyone perceived as targeting online a “protected characteristics” including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment.”

The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”

If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.

The Sentencing Council believes that the use of social media, YouTube, and other “websites” to stir hatred is a growing problem – despite the number of prosecutions remain relatively low.

“Volumes of these offences are extremely low and there have been no offenders sentenced for some offences,” the Sentencing Council said.

“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue.

Rest - http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...ion-or-gender/

That's what I said. Wow.

"Protected characteristic"? Why not just come right out and call it "anyone guilty of violating UNequal Rights ..." This is absurd. I doubt I could even visit the UK without being thrown in jail for offending someone.

Ridiculous.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wow. So if I am in the UK, and I own a similar website, and it has a lot of volume - and I post as I do - passionately about things I believe in, or disagree in - I am risking jail time for speaking about the negative things I disagree with? Yikes! Between the trannies and the sickening disease islam, I would be getting back to back to back 6 year sentences left and right!!

Your thoughts, @Drummond ? I know you're about freedom, but have to live under this type of umbrella.

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UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender

People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.

The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has drafted changes to public order offences, including anyone perceived as targeting online a “protected characteristics” including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment.”

The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”

If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.

The Sentencing Council believes that the use of social media, YouTube, and other “websites” to stir hatred is a growing problem – despite the number of prosecutions remain relatively low.

“Volumes of these offences are extremely low and there have been no offenders sentenced for some offences,” the Sentencing Council said.

“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue.

Rest - http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018...ion-or-gender/

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People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.

+++ Except Islam will be exempt!
New handy punishments to limit spread of information and people acting upon that information.-Tyr

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The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”

+++ Except Islam will be exempt.
Stiffer punishments for people that may have more influence and thus may start a movement against the Muslims.--Tyr

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If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.

+++ Except Islam will be exempt.,
They have always been exempt, and that status will not be assaulted by this new control of their enemies. -Tyr

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“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue

+++ Except Islam will be exempt.,
Yes extremely useful to further crack down on the few Brits that may stand up against Islam.
THIS IS FURTHER PROTECTION OF THE MUSLIMS-AS UNTOUCHABLE.-Tyr

[darin]

UK is in need of a revolution.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Speech police, thought police, further erosion of freedoms... visiting Europe was on my bucket list, but it isn't anymore. I wouldn't spend a dime of my tourism money in a police state place like that... no offense @Drummond

So... according to these enlightened European NAZIS, the rest of the world is just a bunch of uncouth barbarians? Freedom of speech "uncivilized?" My opinion of homos comes purely from the natural reaction of a heterosexual to the thought of what those perverts actually do to each other, its disgusting, it's perverted, mother nature tells me that. I wasn't taught that, it's preprogrammed right into my DNA, and I can't "SAY" that in Europe?

And these VIOLENT, BLOOD THIRSTY muslims, I see the INSANE KILLING these people do, all in the name of their RELIGION, because their BOOK tells them to, because everyone else is an INFIDEL, and where ever these cave men accumulate in sufficient numbers, they impose their Sharia Law by FORCE, and their STONE AGE subjugation of women, etc, and I can't SAY anything about that, I can't say I DON'T LIKE IT?

I'm sorry Europe, but the direction you're headed and what you're doing with this thought and speech police state is WORSE than whatever it is you think you need to police. You are putting zippers on people's mouths and limiting what they can think. You are attempting social engineering on a massive scale, dumbing down a population, stifling freedom of thought and speech, and I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. I wouldn't step foot in Europe now, not under any circumstances.

[Gunny]

Speech police, thought police, further erosion of freedoms... visiting Europe was on my bucket list, but it isn't anymore. I wouldn't spend a dime of my tourism money in a police state place like that... no offense @Drummond

So... according to these enlightened European NAZIS, the rest of the world is just a bunch of uncouth barbarians? Freedom of speech "uncivilized?" My opinion of homos comes purely from the natural reaction of a heterosexual to the thought of what those perverts actually do to each other, its disgusting, it's perverted, mother nature tells me that. I wasn't taught that, it's preprogrammed right into my DNA, and I can't "SAY" that in Europe?

And these VIOLENT, BLOOD THIRSTY muslims, I see the INSANE KILLING these people do, all in the name of their RELIGION, because their BOOK tells them to, because everyone else is an INFIDEL, and where ever these cave men accumulate in sufficient numbers, they impose their Sharia Law by FORCE, and their STONE AGE subjugation of women, etc, and I can't SAY anything about that, I can't say I DON'T LIKE IT?

I'm sorry Europe, but the direction you're headed and what you're doing with this thought and speech police state is WORSE than whatever it is you think you need to police. You are putting zippers on people's mouths and limiting what they can think. You are attempting social engineering on a massive scale, dumbing down a population, stifling freedom of thought and speech, and I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. I wouldn't step foot in Europe now, not under any circumstances.

They're no different than the political correctness in the US. They've just had longer to legislate their "stick your head in the sand" attitudes. We're getting there.

Look at all the people (lefties) a few months back protesting in CA wanting to take way freedom of speech from anyone not agreeing with their leftist agenda. Our future.

The mindset is just stupid. "We can all get along and peacefully coexist". Yeah, except one side has no intention to and doesn't want to. You'd think of all people the Brits would have learned from appeasing Hitler how the story turns out.

[revelarts]

Well .. it's amazing to consider how malleable people can be. I am used to this sort of environment, and just think (or feel, anyway) that it's 'normal'....

sad to say it's the "Boiling Frogs" analogy in action.

The same type of thing is happening here, just more slowly.
And many conservatives are more 'tolerant' of "modern" ideology and feel traditionally conservative ideas should NOT be expressed directly in the public sphere. Much less be allowed to be practiced in public or on jobs.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They're no different than the political correctness in the US.

I say FUCK political correctness too. I go out of my way to be UNpolitically correct.

It's the DEMOCRATS that try and head society in this NAZI direction.

The only way they'll stop me from thinking or saying what I want is when I'm DEAD.

[Gunny]

I say FUCK political correctness too. I go out of my way to be UNpolitically correct.

It's the DEMOCRATS that try and head society in this NAZI direction.

The only way they'll stop me from thinking or saying what I want is when I'm DEAD.

Like I said, my European vacation has been cancelled I'm not going to be told what to say or think. Here or there.

[darin]

At least in the USA we can escape a little bit. We have some choices.

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

[Gunny]

At least in the USA we can escape a little bit. We have some choices.

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

Some of the states don't surprise me. Texas does. I'm surprised it isn't darker. We have a license, fee or tax for just about everything. We DON'T have a state income tax. But we also have restrictions on just about everything right down to water usage.

Doesn't matter if you're paying for it, you can only use water when they say you can. My idea long ago was stop importing Yankees for their money and overpopulating our aquifer. THAT would work.

[revelarts]

Like I said, my European vacation has been cancelled I'm not going to be told what to say or think. Here or there.

People can't go to parts of Europe, or the Middle East... or China and express themselves freely.
Freedom is shrinking in the world, Far Left Secularist, far Right religious Muslims... total state secular Chinese.

big brother totalitarianism takes many forms.
That's one reason why I harp so much on the ORIGINAL constitutional freedoms and boundaries in every area. Against the left and the right's insistence that the Feds/CiC/Congress -have to do something- in areas they have ZERO constitutional authority in.
Because In each case like this in the UK or elsewhere, the problem is based in the gov't having/assuming authority over areas that it ... in the U.S.'s case... does not.

Freedom of Speech, Freedom of assembly (without permits BTW), Freedom to bear arms, Freedom from Gov't spying, from gov't searches (not even TSA), trial by jury, freedom of the press, freedom of religion (even at work), etc etc..

The line should be pressed ALL the WAY back to original constitutional levels.
Our federal system was set up to block tyranny and totalitarianism, secular or religious.
It's not really meant to address many of the current left-right disagreements.
Those were meant to be played out socially or locally.

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[Gunny]

People can't go to parts of Europe, or the Middle East... or China and express themselves freely.
Freedom is shrinking in the world, Far Left Secularist, far Right religious Muslims... total state secular Chinese.

big brother totalitarianism takes many forms.
That's one reason why I harp so much on the ORIGINAL constitutional freedoms and boundaries in every area. Against the left and the right's insistence that the Feds/CiC/Congress -have to do something- in areas they have ZERO constitutional authority in.
Because In each case like this in the UK or elsewhere, the problem is based in the gov't having/assuming authority over areas that it ... in the U.S.'s case... does not.

Freedom of Speech, Freedom of assembly (without permits BTW), Freedom to bear arms, Freedom from Gov't spying, from gov't searches (not even TSA), trial by jury, freedom of the press, freedom of religion (even at work), etc etc..

The line should be pressed ALL the WAY back to original constitutional levels.
Our federal system was set up to block tyranny and totalitarianism, secular or religious.
It's not really meant to address many of the current left-right disagreements.
Those were meant to be played out socially or locally.

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I don't disagree with your ideal. Where I disagree with you more often than not is your refusal to temper it with reality/current day situation. I'm a Constitutionalist. I'm also a pragmatist. Maybe it's different education and training. I'm trained to make the best of a shitty situation and move forward, not bitch about what's done and isn't likely to be undone.

I express my ideals. I keep them separate from the World I have to deal with every day because it isn't going away.

[revelarts]

I don't disagree with your ideal. Where I disagree with you more often than not is your refusal to temper it with reality/current day situation. I'm a Constitutionalist. I'm also a pragmatist. Maybe it's different education and training. I'm trained to make the best of a shitty situation and move forward, not bitch about what's done and isn't likely to be undone.

I express my ideals. I keep them separate from the World I have to deal with every day because it isn't going away.

I can understand that,
And i guess my take it on is that there were a lot of things that seemed, pragmatically speaking, unlikely to be undone.
slavery is example A.
Been a part of human existence since written history. If people hadn't been 'Idealist' and decided Not to just make the best of the crap situation, it'd still be here legally.
Women Voting, 5 day work week, heck the founding of the nation itself was because people decided not to make the best of the King.
The left, sadly, has pushed for things that 40 years ago seemed impossible like legal Homosexual marriage. They made abortion legal across the U.S.. Against the majority and all odds.

My general take is, work for the best and prepare for the worse.
So I won't be a part of MAKING it worse or settling for (voting for) the ever lowering status quo.

the bar is always the constitution. moves toward it, small or large, is what want to see.
Rather than settle for softer versions of new-normal totalitarianism over harsher ones.