And Here We Go With NK?

[Kathianne]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...-says.amp.html

[Gunny]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxne...-says.amp.html

I hate to say this, but North Korea has a point for once. The exercises DO target North Korea as the potential invader.

Seems to me propriety might dictate postponing or cancelling the exercises for the time being. That IS an in your face. How bad do you want the deal? Might want to ratchet back a few notches on that American arrogance for the time being.

[Kathianne]

I hate to say this, but North Korea has a point for once. The exercises DO target North Korea as the potential invader.

Seems to me propriety might dictate postponing or cancelling the exercises for the time being. That IS an in your face. How bad do you want the deal? Might want to ratchet back a few notches on that American arrogance for the time being.

Maybe. There's something to be said for not gaining anything untl the relationship is working.

[Abbey Marie]

Saving face is as we know, a very big deal for Asians. This needs to stop for the time-being.

[Gunny]

Maybe. There's something to be said for not gaining anything untl the relationship is working.

A valid point. We have however held joint military exercises with South Korea since before I was in the Marine Corps. I got to go on one. What luck

It's not going to break anybody's butt to miss one or postpone it. Like I said, how bad do you want a deal? Weigh one against the other. Denuclearization of the Korean peninsula vs another lame, repetitious military exercise that could be held any time. Trump & Co & S Korea have worked for a year and half to get where they are on this deal.

Also, depending on what exactly is in the deal, isn't de-militarization of the peninsula part of the package? A signed deal would render the exercise pointless anyway.

I think it can and should be postponed indefinitely pending negotiations. Just my opinion.

[Kathianne]

A valid point. We have however held joint military exercises with South Korea since before I was in the Marine Corps. I got to go on one. What luck

It's not going to break anybody's butt to miss one or postpone it. Like I said, how bad do you want a deal? Weigh one against the other. Denuclearization of the Korean peninsula vs another lame, repetitious military exercise that could be held any time. Trump & Co & S Korea have worked for a year and half to get where they are on this deal.

Also, depending on what exactly is in the deal, isn't de-militarization of the peninsula part of the package? A signed deal would render the exercise pointless anyway.

I think it can and should be postponed indefinitely pending negotiations. Just my opinion.

He said, "No preconditions." Now threatens to pull out. Not good.

[Gunny]

He said, "No preconditions." Now threatens to pull out. Not good.

Neither is practicing to kick his while claiming we want peace and stability.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I hate to say this, but North Korea has a point for once. The exercises DO target North Korea as the potential invader.

Seems to me propriety might dictate postponing or cancelling the exercises for the time being. That IS an in your face. How bad do you want the deal? Might want to ratchet back a few notches on that American arrogance for the time being.

After hearing about this and reading the OP's link, before I read a single comment, what you said above was exactly what I was thinking.

Little rocket man has come a long way so far I'd say, he's quit shooting off rockets, he's meet with Pompeo already and he's planning to blow up nuke sites, etc, hell, don't push the guy right now. Why fuck up something that appears to be going good and it's historic beyond measure? Just postpone the damn exercises indefinitely. We been doing this shit with SOKO for decades, don't we have a pretty damn good idea how it go by now?

I think it's stupid to hold those military exercises right now. I would have certainly recommended against it. It certainly doesn't seem to fit in with any "art of the deal" narrative in my opinion.

[FakeNewsSux]

After hearing about this and reading the OP's link, before I read a single comment, what you said above was exactly what I was thinking.

Little rocket man has come a long way so far I'd say, he's quit shooting off rockets, he's meet with Pompeo already and he's planning to blow up nuke sites, etc, hell, don't push the guy right now. Why fuck up something that appears to be going good and it's historic beyond measure? Just postpone the damn exercises indefinitely. We been doing this shit with SOKO for decades, don't we have a pretty damn good idea how it go by now?

I think it's stupid to hold those military exercises right now. I would have certainly recommended against it. It certainly doesn't seem to fit in with any "art of the deal" narrative in my opinion.

Could it be that this is the essence of the "Art of the Deal"? No meeting has been held, no agreements have been reached and closing down a facility that had a mountain fall on it is giving away nothing. Keeping the pressure on Kim demonstrates that this isn't just another US President desperate for a deal who will reward him for delaying and ultimately going back on his word. Kim sees that China was the first nation to speak up and say that he should go ahead with the June Summit. In addition they have kept all banking and trade embargoes in place in exchange for a telecom deal with Pres Trump. So what did Kim witness in the past week? Play ball like the Chinese and you get favorable treatment. Cancel a planned Summit, like Judge Smails said:

[Gunny]

Could it be that this is the essence of the "Art of the Deal"? No meeting has been held, no agreements have been reached and closing down a facility that had a mountain fall on it is giving away nothing. Keeping the pressure on Kim demonstrates that this isn't just another US President desperate for a deal who will reward him for delaying and ultimately going back on his word. Kim sees that China was the first nation to speak up and say that he should go ahead with the June Summit. In addition they have kept all banking and trade embargoes in place in exchange for a telecom deal with Pres Trump. So what did Kim witness in the past week? Play ball like the Chinese and you get favorable treatment. Cancel a planned Summit, like Judge Smails said:

I hope it works out. I'm more conservative than Trump. I'd have tossed the chihuahua a bone so he'd have something to slobber over for the next couple of weeks.

Not like ther arenelt probably two more exercises scheduled for this year.

[darin]

I hate to say this, but North Korea has a point for once. The exercises DO target North Korea as the potential invader.

Doesn't matter at all. Any exercises going on were planned years ago - at least started planning; and they may be annual exercises anyway - and probably exercises used to evaluate readiness. They are not provocative; they are not new or sudden; they are training and training the way the Soldiers there have done it for decades. NK is just cherry picking shit to manipulate stuff. NK is like a really naggy, bitchy partner - they know only this: Passive-aggressive stammering and rolling on the floor throwing a fit until they get their way. Up until Trump most US Presidents were enabling helicopter type parents who satiated instead of corrected.

God i'm good. I hadn't clicked the link until after replying:

"The purpose of the training is to enhance the ROK-U.S. Allilance's ability to defend the ROK and enhance interoperability and readiness," the statement said. "While we will not discuss specifics, the defensive nature of these combined exercises has been clear for many decades and has not changed."

mmhmm.

[pete311]

Not concerned at all. Read Art of the Deal. This is all part of Trump's master plan.

NK just pulled a power move. They know Trump is desperate to make history. NK in control.

[Gunny]

Not concerned at all. Read Art of the Deal. This is all part of Trump's master plan.

NK just pulled a power move. They know Trump is desperate to make history. NK in control.

That is a stupid comment @pete311. Trump has won. THAT is the point You'll never admit that, but it's game over. Un caved. He's attention-whoring, but caved nonetheless.

Let the little bastard save some face while using common sense. THAT is called being a gracious winner and strokes the little attention whore's feather.

How do you figure Trump's desperate. He was ready to blow the place off the map. Un is the one that came crawling for a deal. Just can't stand that, can you? Got to twist it into something negative. I hope it burns your ass

[Black Diamond]

That is a stupid comment @pete311. Trump has won. THAT is the point You'll never admit that, but it's game over. Un caved. He's attention-whoring, but caved nonetheless.

Let the little bastard save some face while using common sense. THAT is called being a gracious winner and strokes the little attention whore's feather.

How do you figure Trump's desperate. He was ready to blow the place off the map. Un is the one that came crawling for a deal. Just can't stand that, can you? Got to twist it into something negative. I hope it burns your ass

Pete has been rooting for Un since November 2016.

[Gunny]

Doesn't matter at all. Any exercises going on were planned years ago - at least started planning; and they may be annual exercises anyway - and probably exercises used to evaluate readiness. They are not provocative; they are not new or sudden; they are training and training the way the Soldiers there have done it for decades. NK is just cherry picking shit to manipulate stuff. NK is like a really naggy, bitchy partner - they know only this: Passive-aggressive stammering and rolling on the floor throwing a fit until they get their way. Up until Trump most US Presidents were enabling helicopter type parents who satiated instead of corrected.

God i'm good. I hadn't clicked the link until after replying:



mmhmm.

I understand exercise planning very well. The hard schedule is 3 years out, with two "soft" years proposed. I consider that irrelevant to the situation. Improvise, adapt and overcome. If we are THAT inflexible it's a wonder we even won in Grenada. The fact is we are NOT that inflexible. I guarantee you those Soldiers, Sailors and Marines won't miss it a bit. If we don't have this sh*t down after 70 years we might as well not be there anyway.

Right now, WE appear to be the bullies. I hate bullies, and there is NOTHING in ANY American idealism I ever learned that has bullying on the list. We have the power and the strength and that knowledge is what makes us better and secure within ourselves. If we have to go around flexing muscle then we aren't so secure in our position and feel the need to prove something.

And yes, that IS a life philosophy for me. Even being not as big and monstrous as I used to be, I'm still bigger stature-wise than most people and mostly muscle. I wear loose-fitting shirts and if doesn't have sleeves it doesn't leave the property. I have nothing to prove. I am secure in the knowledge that I can take someone out if I have to. We, as a Nation, do not need to be running around in tight tee shirts showing off.

We stand to gain a lot and end a 70 years old headache. That's not worth strutting around like a peacock to me.