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    In a speech in a main square in the Turkish city of Istanbul on Friday, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan denounced Israel's recent actions with relation to this week's protests in Gaza, saying that the world's Muslims must take a "physical stance on Israel."

    His speech began with a cry for Muslims around the world to unite with one another in the face of "fights and conflicts and disputes among themselves." He invoked phrases from the Quran to ignite the crowd, which cheered him on as he spoke of the Muslim unity and the faith's connection to the city of Jerusalem, revered as holy by the three Abrahamic religions.


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    "Whose blood did Da'esh spill? Whose cities did Da'esh burn? Whose lives did Da'esh take? Only Muslims," he said.

    Da'esh is the Arabic name for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which has waged a years-long bloody campaign against the civilian populations in both those countries, while simultaneously waging a war against the Iraqi and Syrian militaries. Of ISIS's targets, a majority have been Muslims, but the terrorist organization has also carried out what many to consider to be a genocide of the Yazidis. They have also murdered Christians and many other minorities.

    "It is our sole responsibility to pick [up] the Islamic world from this hole of ignorance," Erdogan told the crowd.

    The rally was held in support of the Palestinians, with participants waving Palestinian and Turkish flags together.

    "The occupation of Jerusalem, the violation of the privacy of the al Aqsa mosque, and the violation of the rights of the folks of Palestine...we declare that we will not accept this," Erdogan continued. Echoing statements made earlier in the week by him and his Foreign Ministry, he condemned the move of the United States Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which took place on Monday. After the move, Turkey recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Israel.

    Israel later expelled Turkish diplomats in response.

    Erdogan did not limit his criticism to Israel, however: He also critiqued the United Nations and the power he believes that the United States has over the international body. The United States is one of the Permanent 5 (P5) countries on the Security Council that allows it to veto resolutions.

    He added that the country "only creates more problems" than it solves, and called on American citizens to "raise their voices against the government."

    Turkey, he added "will definitely show where it stands with Palestine and Jerusalem issues." He told the crowd that "with the strength of Jerusalem in our feet, let's march together...let's come and unify and be together and fight the tyrants with one hand, with one strong fist."

    "There is a global order that knows no human rights," he added, suggesting that both the United States and Israel were a part of this. "Turkey is the country that is targeted the most by Israel and the leader that is targeted the most by Israel is me," he said.

    Erdogan and Netanyahu, both career politicians, have sparred on numerous occasions. Relations between the two countries have been rocky since they were re-established in 2016, 5 years after a diplomatic row over the Mari Marmara flotilla cut ties between them completely.

    "Neither Erdogan nor the body called the 'UN Human Rights Council' will preach morality to us," former defense minister and IDF chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon said in response to Erdogan's remarks, and to the UNHRC's decision Friday to conduct an independent probe into Israel's actions in Gaza.

    "Countries which remain silent about the ongoing massacre of hundreds of thousands of citizens in Syria are trying to tarnish Israel, which is [merely] protecting its borders and its citizens."
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    This idiot is going to start a war and make no mistake, he IS stupid enough to do it. A couple of things come to mind first:

    I wonder what he is being offered that he is willing to pit Turkey directly against NATO and the US; and,

    Turkey has always made a point of being nationalistic, and is not making sense. They go from wiping out Kurds, who are Islamic, to calling for Islam to stand together against Israel? Is what McCain has contagious?

    Isreal has held Jerusalem since 1967. Did Erdogan just now have some sort of revelation? A 51 years delayed reaction? Turkey, incidentally, stayed out of the 7 Days War.

    This assclown is
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    Arabs always shoot their mouth off like that, even though they've proven remarkably incompetent on the battlefield. For all the bluster and bravado, you'd think they'd at least have a couple of victories under their belts in the last few hundred years.

    Another universal muslim trait is using the 'palestinians' as a distraction to the ignorant masses for their own miserable plight. It seems to be effective, somehow... which doesn't speak highly of the overall intelligence of the general populace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    Arabs always shoot their mouth off like that, even though they've proven remarkably incompetent on the battlefield. For all the bluster and bravado, you'd think they'd at least have a couple of victories under their belts in the last few hundred years.

    Another universal muslim trait is using the 'palestinians' as a distraction to the ignorant masses for their own miserable plight. It seems to be effective, somehow... which doesn't speak highly of the overall intelligence of the general populace.
    This is a departure from the norm for Turkey. They have tried to stay out of everything that didn't directly pertain to Turkey for more than a century. Going after the Kurds in Syria I can see. They've been biting the bullet on that one since the First Gulf War and we talked them out of going after them. One sect of the Kurds has been an actual problem within Turkey.

    They have stayed strictly out of the Arab-Israeli conflict from Day One. Turkey is also known for being an ultra-nationalistic, secular state since Attaturk made them supposedly a great nation and all that chest -thumping, ooh-rah crap. Erdogan has been critical of Syria for decades.

    Now suddenly they're Islamic and want to go after Israel? In which case, they will have to have access to go through Syria to do it. It looks and smell like Russia, but I don't see what Russia has to gain. Either that or Erdogan has just gone off the deep end.

    I'd love nothing more than to see Turkey get the shit kicked out of it, but I want to know the end-game. Playing into one of Putin's schemes doesn't sit well with me at all, and playing into Erdogan's bullshit just lowers our market value.
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    How much does this have to do with Un squeaking and getting the grease? Does erdogan think he can get some kind of deal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    How much does this have to do with Un squeaking and getting the grease? Does erdogan think he can get some kind of deal ?
    I don't know the particulars, but Turkey has some kind of future, joint plan with Russia to build a nuclear facility in Turkey. Other than to try and embarrass the UN, I doubt Turkey would have any real plan that involved it. Everybody in the World know the paper tiger's idea of "action" is merely verbal condemnation.

    Something's got his chest all swollen though. Maybe it was beating up on a bunch of sheepherders in Syria. While it isn't out of character for the arrogant-ass Turk to run his mouth and talk shit, it IS out fo character for him to place Turkey in the lead position of confronting Israel and by default the US.
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