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    **= From ACLU website.
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    ** Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
    How many of those citizens are of voting age? Solve each on a case-by-case basis

    **Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.

    Just as we get "free" credit reports every year, allow for a one-time birth certificate copy if the request is done in conjunction with obtaining government ID card

    **Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.

    Food Truck type ID vehicles would fix it. Worth spending the money on. Just as we get "free" credit reports every year, allow for a one-time birth certificate copy if the request is done in conjunction with obtaining government ID card

    **The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
    Food Truck type ID vehicles would fix it. Worth spending tax money on. Do those people in texas even NEED ID? worthless stat.

    **Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state

    there's no study showing voter ID was the single cause of lower voter turn out. And could it be the 2-3 points were made of people who would have otherwise illegally voted? Could it be the turn out was artificially inflated with fraudulent votes?

    VOTER ID LAWS ARE DISCRIMINATORY

    Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.

    If a law requires every citizen of voting age to show government ID regarldess of their race, it's not unfair. All races are held to the same standard. Further, Vote-counters SHOULD discriminate - there should be no non-citizen voting. I contend it's racist to assume black folks couldn't get an ID card if they wanted to vote.

    States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards.

    Because weapons permits are issued only after verifying citizenship - school IDs are typically not.

    Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.

    Maybe because those cards were not issued after validation of citizenship? It's racist to assume people who hold state jobs, and are black would be unable to verify citizenship. Neither active duty ID cards or VA ID cars are issued after verifying citizenship.


    Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.

    Who cares who is questioned? Not relevant to the issue of ID cards.

    Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.

    Again, that's not the fault of the ID card. If people don't turn out to vote because they are scared or unable to prove citizenship, that's their choice.
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    That entire spiel by the ACLU is nothing more than a veiled attempt to argue for leniency for illegal aliens so they can vote for democrats.

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    I'm actually lost on this topic for two reasons. I've had a military ID since I was 10 years old that if I didn't have it on me, I couldn't even get through the base gate. No pool, exchange, commissary, youth activities. I've had dog tags since I was two. I still have a pair with the notch in them

    In Texas, you are required to have ID. It's the law. Some other states as well, but I don't know which ones.

    You pretty much cannot do ANYTHING without a photo ID if alcohol or tobacco is involved. You can't buy a firearm, nor operate a motorized vehicle. Here' you can't vote either. Here, you have to have a picture ID, AND voter's registration card AND vote in the place designated (usually the closest school) on your voter registration card. And if you aren't registered 90 days prior to, you aren't voting. You name won't show in their database. And the State of Texas is ANAL about it.

    So it boggles the mind to to think that in some of these states you can just walk in with no ID to any polling station you want and cast a vote. If THAT is the case, we need to pull that page out of the Dem playbook and get a list of these states and just caravan from one to the other like they do and fight fire with fire.

    Be a bitch for me though. I'm pretty much four hundred miles from another state in any direction. I take that back. NM is about 300. But if you live in East TX you can hit AR, LA, MS, AL, Georgia and FL with little deviation in driving.
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