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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Unless it was just some odd camera angle, I agree, Kath. And he had to have been told how to behave around her.
    Or, in a "lazily" manner, perhaps he strolled slowly along and simply didn't realize he walked further ahead? I dunno. But not being aware of where he walked.... who cares? I saw it and saw no attempt of disrespect whatsoever. Perhaps he could have ignored everything around him, and zoned in solely on the queen, but he would have inevitably done some other protocol wrong for folks to complain about. Outside of accidentally walking in front of her, he was a complete gentleman from everything I've seen and read between the two. It's not like muslims who we never hear rumblings about, who have their women walk behind them on a daily basis as a part of life.

    As in his USA presidency and himself of course, he shows that he's not perfect and certainly not up to par on "protocol" of any kind, showing the amateur side of himself.

    And as for sitting in Churchill's chair, man, I would have done the same thing for a photo op if I had the chance!!! I know he's a fan of Churchill as well. But of course if folks don't like the man to begin with, then it's just ammunition. They first look at EVERYTHING and wonder how it can be spinned as ammo against him. And if not? Then in the 86 bin it does out of fear it may make him look positive in some manner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Unless it was just some odd camera angle, I agree, Kath. And he had to have been told how to behave around her.
    Yep, that's what's strange to me. Now grant you, Trump seems to relish ignoring anyone telling him what to do, which may include some protocol director? However, for all the 'bull in a China shop' behavior, he like nearly all Presidents was born into the elite. He came from privilege and with that, no matter how 'apart' from the 'old money' they may have been, there are behaviors expected and taught. He went to a military academy for instance, certain correct behaviors were taught there or demerits would be onerous.


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    Not sure if posted elsewhere already. But anyhoo, as expected, some expected him to bow to the Queen. And I'm glad he didn't. I LOVE the Queen, and even always capitalize her title out of respect.

    They DO live out on old traditions. Yes, they are very rich and likely live on a better set of rules and standards than the rest of us. But it's not easy living the royal life all the time either. They live under an umbrella, with a set of rules and protocols that they honor and live under. I personally wouldn't want to marry into such a family, as I know it's difficult. I don't mean that as insulting at all either. I admire all of them, and how they are so upstanding and what they stand for and all of the other efforts they make.

    With all of that said - an American president should not be bowing - whether that be to the Queen, or whether that's a leader in royalty in the middle east or similar. There is NO ONE that the president should be bowing to. And I sure as F don't expect any other leader in the world to bow or present themselves in a lesser manner in any way. RESPECT is key.

    Live a respectful life. At least that's what I try to do when I go out in public. Hold doors, say please and thank you. Always be polite and with a smile when I can. I'm gonna make mistakes. For example, small things like "Merry Christmas" to a muslim folk I know, or forgetting when they are in the midst of Ramadan. Or during Hanukkah or anything similar. But if someone is always truly respectful, it'll be shown and known to all.

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    I neither want nor expect him to bow. That would seem weak to me.

    But I don’t think he should walk in front of her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    I neither want nor expect him to bow. I just don’t think he should walk in front of her.
    With what they call the "pomp and circumstance" and the band playing.... and walking ahead accidentally is easily seen. He should have been more aware of what was around him though. They probably even had the spots marked, and you go here, then there, just as they do on major events here. He failed to fully engage and aware that she was lagging back or whatever? Still rude in the aspect that he should have been more aware of his surroundings, especially when you know the entire world is watching. But in the respect department, that's where I ask myself if it were done on purpose, was he trying to be disrespectful? And there I just don't think so. So he fails on precedent, but I don't think he set out to disrespect the Queen.

    I don't think Trump is too good in any protocol department, except maybe for entering a board room perhaps. Maybe he'll get better in a few years. I don't want to see him turn fully "presidential", in the aspect that we see less shared information, or a more PC version. But perhaps one that is aware on the national stage, and doesn't give the left any ammunition to run on.

    IF the Queen were to make a statement that this irritated her or she felt disrespected, I think this would be one of the rare moments that Trump should apologize. But I don't think even the Queen made a big deal of it. I think she was aware that she was holding up traffic!!

    I would love to meet her myself, that would be cool. 66 years at the helm of royalty. And for every last minute of that time this woman has held herself up with grace and dignity. So many presidents have made visits to the Queen over the years! I don't know enough of the royal family, I actually had to lookup how many years she has been Queen. But I have to wonder if others have ever been King/Queen longer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    With what they call the "pomp and circumstance" and the band playing.... and walking ahead accidentally is easily seen. He should have been more aware of what was around him though. They probably even had the spots marked, and you go here, then there, just as they do on major events here. He failed to fully engage and aware that she was lagging back or whatever? Still rude in the aspect that he should have been more aware of his surroundings, especially when you know the entire world is watching. But in the respect department, that's where I ask myself if it were done on purpose, was he trying to be disrespectful? And there I just don't think so. So he fails on precedent, but I don't think he set out to disrespect the Queen.

    I don't think Trump is too good in any protocol department, except maybe for entering a board room perhaps. Maybe he'll get better in a few years. I don't want to see him turn fully "presidential", in the aspect that we see less shared information, or a more PC version. But perhaps one that is aware on the national stage, and doesn't give the left any ammunition to run on.

    IF the Queen were to make a statement that this irritated her or she felt disrespected, I think this would be one of the rare moments that Trump should apologize. But I don't think even the Queen made a big deal of it. I think she was aware that she was holding up traffic!!

    I would love to meet her myself, that would be cool. 66 years at the helm of royalty. And for every last minute of that time this woman has held herself up with grace and dignity. So many presidents have made visits to the Queen over the years! I don't know enough of the royal family, I actually had to lookup how many years she has been Queen. But I have to wonder if others have ever been King/Queen longer?
    I believe she recently passed Victoria, who had reigned longest...
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    Default More of the same Old BS from all sources.

    No big deal, other than somebody, or everybody has to find some fault with Trump. EVEN...when he does nothing wrong. I watched as the Queen greeted Trump, and First Lady. In fact, I thought I saw the QUEEN...motion to Trump to GO ahead of her at one point.

    Everything has become a major 'playground' of whiners, crybabies, idiots, and Children.

    I thank GOD, my days are numbered among all of the STUPIDITY.

    Learn to smile, mind your own business, and if you can't do that...Just SHUT UP!
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    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    No big deal, other than somebody, or everybody has to find some fault with Trump. EVEN...when he does nothing wrong. I watched as the Queen greeted Trump, and First Lady. In fact, I thought I saw the QUEEN...motion to Trump to GO ahead of her at one point.

    Everything has become a major 'playground' of whiners, crybabies, idiots, and Children.

    I thank GOD, my days are numbered among all of the STUPIDITY.

    Learn to smile, mind your own business, and if you can't do that...Just SHUT UP!
    There is a very basic rank hypocrisy behind the UK Left's actions and motivations.

    On the one hand .. being Socialist, it should be natural for them to spawn adherents to an anti-Monarchist mindset. Corbyn (Labour leader) is certainly no fan of our Royal Family. So, you'd expect them to see perceived 'slights' against our Queen as no big deal, nothing to be bothered about.

    Ah, but .. au contraire. TRUMP was involved; so, suddenly, they're outraged.

    Amazing, that !

    To be fair ... they were more aggravated about Trump sitting in Winston Churchill's chair. 'How dare Trump think he has the right to, as Churchill was such a great Leader, deserving reverence ...'.

    More hypocrisy, though. Churchill was never a Socialist ... he was a CONSERVATIVE ...

    The UK's Left has zero reputability. It is because that's true, that they feel empowered to do their pernicious carping.

    And, unfortunately, Trump's visit was one they were never going to be silent for. No chance at all existed of THAT.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    There is a very basic rank hypocrisy behind the UK Left's actions and motivations.

    On the one hand .. being Socialist, it should be natural for them to spawn adherents to an anti-Monarchist mindset. Corbyn (Labour leader) is certainly no fan of our Royal Family. So, you'd expect them to see perceived 'slights' against our Queen as no big deal, nothing to be bothered about.

    Ah, but .. au contraire. TRUMP was involved; so, suddenly, they're outraged.

    Amazing, that !

    To be fair ... they were more aggravated about Trump sitting in Winston Churchill's chair. 'How dare Trump think he has the right to, as Churchill was such a great Leader, deserving reverence ...'.

    More hypocrisy, though. Churchill was never a Socialist ... he was a CONSERVATIVE ...

    The UK's Left has zero reputability. It is because that's true, that they feel empowered to do their pernicious carping.

    And, unfortunately, Trump's visit was one they were never going to be silent for. No chance at all existed of THAT.

    The Ignorant snowflakes complaining about a President of the United States sitting in the Churchill chair is almost comical. They are proving they are simply so dumb, and offended at everything; of course....KNOWING our President is Smarter, Wiser, and a Gentleman than most of the whiners. Are they also STUPID enough to believe the President didn't get permission from the Queen to SIT THERE????
    Naturally. Common sense, and courtesy isn't in their lexicon, as they are programmed to use only FOUR LETTER swear words to expose their intelligence.
    Last edited by aboutime; 07-15-2018 at 07:38 PM.
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