It Doesn't Have To Be Blackmail-But Why The Idolizing?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What I don't get is the more than harsh behavior Trump has displayed towards Canada, UK, EU, Germany, as opposed to his treatment in the past and today regarding Russia and Putin in particular.

That's not the issue.

Huh?

[Black Diamond]

TREASON... you fuckin' jackoff leftist are out of your fucking minds.

Oh she's not the only one. Hollywood has already started.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Oh she's not the only one. Hollywood has already started.

These people are fucking lunatics.

I can't wait for November, because I know damn well the MAJORITY of Americans are SICK TO DEATH of this BULL SHIT.

[Black Diamond]

These people are fucking lunatics.

I can't wait for November, because I know damn well the MAJORITY of Americans are SICK TO DEATH of this BULL SHIT.

I think you will be surprised. In a good way.

[Kathianne]

You haven't seen any harsh behavior from Canada, the UK, EU and Germany towards president Trump?

That's not the issue. To answer your question though, not on the 'world stage,' no. When have you seen such at this type of event? I may have missed, I don't have TV and seriously have not been paying attention to the degree I have in the past.

There's been plenty examples of it here on the board though, Kath, and it's even in that article.

I still think president Trump has displayed an incredible amount of self control considering the DELUGE of INSULTS and DISRESPECT he gets DAILY. He's doing better than I'd do. I'd have blown a gasket by now and done something really stupid.

I do a fair job of reading on the board, that's not necessarily things that are happening though, as much as an outrage by some or a great thing by others. (See Gabby getting banned on a trolling or folks loving when Trump tweets something they find 'to be shaking things up.')

I've not seen anything that comes from a leader of country, visiting out of country, saying that his country and leaders have been wrong for a long time; indeed, equating US behaviors with Russia's and taking Putin's forceful denials over the 'intelligence agencies' here that he 'has a lot of trust in.'

You went onto say that his many instances of disrespecting allied leaders were because of their behaviors to him. Where did they do the same on an international stage? Disliking and disrespecting are different. Indeed when French President visited here, he was more than nice, basically gushing in his praise for President and the US people. At the same time, you didn't see him going over the top in his praise of Trump, indeed it was more about the office than the man.

This is the first time I've seen Trump acting worse oversees than at home. I don't think his 'being new' will cut it anymore.

I guess we are not communicating, their not liking him personally, is not the same thing he's doing with Putin and so many of our allies.

Now you seem to be arguing that since they don't like him, he can just dis allies, his intelligence services, and basically say that the US sucks, but he'll make it better. Before it was 'he didn't mean it, it's how diplomacy is done.'

I guess you are happy with his behavior towards Putin and our intelligence services, including Coats and others that Trump appointed? I suppose that is what has my curiosity at this point.

The problem is, I like Trump, you hate Trump. That's why we have different takes on the situation, and probably why neither will understand the other.

Nope, I disagree. I don't 'hate Trump,' I don't know him personally. I hate many of his behaviors, like some of his policies and appointments. I truly think his meeting with Putin has been a disaster and it's not Pelosi's fault, but her going to 'something on him,' just illustrates why she is so reviled.

Huh?

My response was to yours regarding behaviors of other leaders that you said, 'dis'd Trump.' I asked when on such a trip or platform? You responded with 'examples all over the board,' which I responded to above regarding the difference of 'world audience' and 'personal opinion.'

Many don't like Trump, I know you find that difficult to believe. On the other hand, he IS the President and folks need to get that too.

[Kathianne]

Just looking at the last few posts here, thought I'd throw in my 2 cent prediction. I think GOP will likely hold onto power in both Houses-baring something huge happening. I think Trump will get nearly everything he wants. It's strange times here, not sure where it's all going to go.

Too far to be certain, but without some huge event, Trump, like Obama, will be 2 term.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I think you will be surprised. In a good way.

This is what happens when you have 8 YEARS of an America hating little kenyan muslim DOG TURD that does everything in his POWER to DESTROY America... "fundamentally transform."

We TOTALLY REJECTED the kenyan and his HATE AMERICA agenda, and now it's being UNDONE, and the left is just going absolutely BAT SHIT CRAZY... SHOCKER. These people are the TRASH of society, where ever they are.

[Drummond]

I do a fair job of reading on the board, that's not necessarily things that are happening though, as much as an outrage by some or a great thing by others. (See Gabby getting banned on a trolling or folks loving when Trump tweets something they find 'to be shaking things up.')

I've not seen anything that comes from a leader of country, visiting out of country, saying that his country and leaders have been wrong for a long time; indeed, equating US behaviors with Russia's and taking Putin's forceful denials over the 'intelligence agencies' here that he 'has a lot of trust in.'

You went onto say that his many instances of disrespecting allied leaders were because of their behaviors to him. Where did they do the same on an international stage? Disliking and disrespecting are different. Indeed when French President visited here, he was more than nice, basically gushing in his praise for President and the US people. At the same time, you didn't see him going over the top in his praise of Trump, indeed it was more about the office than the man.

This is the first time I've seen Trump acting worse oversees than at home. I don't think his 'being new' will cut it anymore.



Nope, I disagree. I don't 'hate Trump,' I don't know him personally. I hate many of his behaviors, like some of his policies and appointments. I truly think his meeting with Putin has been a disaster and it's not Pelosi's fault, but her going to 'something on him,' just illustrates why she is so reviled.



My response was to yours regarding behaviors of other leaders that you said, 'dis'd Trump.' I asked when on such a trip or platform? You responded with 'examples all over the board,' which I responded to above regarding the difference of 'world audience' and 'personal opinion.'

Many don't like Trump, I know you find that difficult to believe. On the other hand, he IS the President and folks need to get that too.

Can you really not be aware that posts such as the one I'm replying to do the Left's work for them ? Conservatives need to unite behind their leader. Any display of dissent helps Conservative enemies.

If you're critical of Trump's visit to the UK, I don't believe you've got good cause to be. OK ... he didn't follow protocols to the letter, but then, consider that his overall intentions, that of a powerful leader and ally doing all he could to demonstrate his belief in that relationship, is what REALLY counts. One can leave it to the rabid Left to protest, carp, undermine, act as the ENEMIES they are, and they'd have done it even if all aspects of President Trump's visit had gone impeccably.

As for his position on Russian denials ... well, do we know what Trump knows ? Do we have his insights ? I think not. I'd rather not rush to judgement. You can trust Trump's detractors to do all of that for you - hoping to do as much harm as they can.

As critical as you're minded to be .. you should consider the alternative. Do you want the Democrats back into power, having amassed ammunition (representing reputability OR NOT) to manage such a feat ? I say again ... don't do their work for them.

[Kathianne]

Can you really not be aware that posts such as the one I'm replying to do the Left's work for them ? Conservatives need to unite behind their leader. Any display of dissent helps Conservative enemies.

If you're critical of Trump's visit to the UK, I don't believe you've got good cause to be. OK ... he didn't follow protocols to the letter, but then, consider that his overall intentions, that of a powerful leader and ally doing all he could to demonstrate his belief in that relationship, is what REALLY counts. One can leave it to the rabid Left to protest, carp, undermine, act as the ENEMIES they are, and they'd have done it even if all aspects of President Trump's visit had gone impeccably.

As for his position on Russian denials ... well, do we know what Trump knows ? Do we have his insights ? I think not. I'd rather not rush to judgement. You can trust Trump's detractors to do all of that for you - hoping to do as much harm as they can.

As critical as you're minded to be .. you should consider the alternative. Do you want the Democrats back into power, having amassed ammunition (representing reputability OR NOT) to manage such a feat ? I say again ... don't do their work for them.

Again, this had nothing to do with 'right' and 'left' it had to do with the POTUS dissing the US intelligence agencies; former Presidents and Congress. It's wrong to create equivalency between the US and Russia, IMO. I would think after the poisonings, you of all would agree with that?

[Drummond]

Again, this had nothing to do with 'right' and 'left' it had to do with the POTUS dissing the US intelligence agencies; former Presidents and Congress. It's wrong to create equivalency between the US and Russia, IMO. I would think after the poisonings, you of all would agree with that?

I think that Russia needs to be held accountable for its actions. The one leader having any real hope of doing so in a meaningful way is the very one you're working to be critical of.

Of COURSE this is a Right v Left issue. Why ? Because the Left will make sure it can't be anything else !! The Left look for any excuse, no matter how minor, to undermine the current President.

Either (unwittingly or not) they are aided in their agenda, or, they're not. I much prefer that they're NOT.

[aboutime]

NOTICE: To All. President Trump DID NOT....I say again...DID NOT diss our intelligence agencies. Like Nancy Pelosi and all the other HATE-FILLED idiots who convince themselves ONLY THEY ARE RIGHT. Because the President DIDN'T say, what the SNOWFLAKES, DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, and AMERICAN HATERS wanted him to say. DOES NOT MEAN HE DOESN'T HAVE FAITH IN THE AGENCIES. The people making the most noise....HAVE THE MOST TO HIDE.

[Kathianne]

I think that Russia needs to be held accountable for its actions. The one leader having any real hope of doing so in a meaningful way is the very one you're working to be critical of.

Of COURSE this is a Right v Left issue. Why ? Because the Left will make sure it can't be anything else !! The Left look for any excuse, no matter how minor, to undermine the current President.

Either (unwittingly or not) they are aided in their agenda, or, they're not. I much prefer that they're NOT.

The left is over the top, the whole 'resistance nonsense is keeping people like me from going off the deep end, what the left 'could do' if they weren't so f'ing nutty. Honestly. But they are.

It wasn't the left though who has Trump lauding over Putin, while dissing allied leaders with regularity. That's ok, that's what seems to be acceptable now. It's not for everyone though.

[Drummond]

The left is over the top, the whole 'resistance nonsense is keeping people like me from going off the deep end, what the left 'could do' if they weren't so f'ing nutty. Honestly. But they are.

It wasn't the left though who has Trump lauding over Putin, while dissing allied leaders with regularity. That's ok, that's what seems to be acceptable now. It's not for everyone though.

Your Left (or mine, or anybody's) may seem 'nutty' because of the extent of what they say or do. But this misses the point.

Yes, the Left will do anything to attack, go to extremes. But all that they need is for a small fraction of what they say to resonate in peoples' minds. Reject, say, 90% of it. What damage would believing the last 10% do ?

Cast just a 'reasonable doubt' in a voter's mind as to whether Trump should receive electoral support. What adversaries of his would that help ?

I've already made my point. You can support a proven winner, in Trump. Or, you can entertain doubts and then advertise them to the world. Who does this help ? What cause is damaged in the process ?

It's for you to decide if you - and any others who do the same - will insist upon continuing down that path. Does doing so, constitute an acceptable risk for you ?

[Kathianne]

Your Left (or mine, or anybody's) may seem 'nutty' because of the extent of what they say or do. But this misses the point.

Yes, the Left will do anything to attack, go to extremes. But all that they need is for a small fraction of what they say to resonate in peoples' minds. Reject, say, 90% of it. What damage would believing the last 10% do ?

Cast just a 'reasonable doubt' in a voter's mind as to whether Trump should receive electoral support. What adversaries of his would that help ?

I've already made my point. You can support a proven winner, in Trump. Or, you can entertain doubts and then advertise them to the world. Who does this help ? What cause is damaged in the process ?

It's for you to decide if you - and any others who do the same - will insist upon continuing down that path. Does doing so, constitute an acceptable risk for you ?

Yep, my decision. I made it, will do so in the future. Believe it or not, there are shades of right and left, the only ones that really miss that are the extremists.

[FakeNewsSux]

Kathianne, maybe listening to the viewpoint of one of the preeminent Russian scholars in this country, a man who has covered US/Russian Summits for decades, might give you a more reasoned perspective on today's Summit:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5810027978001/?#sp=show-clips