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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    You're coming at this from an assumption there's equivalence in play. That candidates from all sides are 'equal'. That condemnatory opposition has equal worth, neither more correct or deserving of expression than the other.

    Why ?

    One side wants to uphold American values. Another wants to undermine them. Where is the 'equivalent' justice in each position, that each is as deserving as the other of censure ?

    If one is MORE deserving ... then, if we see that, the condemnation is MORE deserving.
    No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.
    If you're not making a claim of equivalency, then you must surely accept that one side can have far more justice behind what they say or do, which makes it all far more defendable than that of the opinions and actions of the opposition. In which case .. I fail to see where you're going with this.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.

    What, exactly, has morality got to do with whether someone is able to read..ANY BOOK, paper, document, sign...in front of an obviously TROUBLED church?
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Has the world just turned upside down?

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    FAMOUS CHURCH FORBIDS BIBLE READING ON PREMISES

    Two separate incidents in which London police arrested a man reading the Bible outside the city’s iconic St. Paul’s Cathedral illustrate an erosion of religious freedom in the U.K., a Christian legal advocacy group contends.

    Freedom to read the Bible in public was one of the first aspects of freedom of religion to be legally established in England, notes the Barnabas Fund.

    A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-ca...g-on-premises/
    What?

    I am not a pious person, but have 8 bibles...2 are mine and 6 are family Bibles.

    Some one tells me I cannot sit in front of a church such as that, such a hallowed place,
    is going to get a New Balance Hiker in the frikkin teeth.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

    "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same of others"...John Wayne in "The Shootist"

    A Deplorable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    If you're not making a claim of equivalency, then you must surely accept that one side can have far more justice behind what they say or do, which makes it all far more defendable than that of the opinions and actions of the opposition. In which case .. I fail to see where you're going with this.
    Trying to follow the logic, is this right?

    Our side is more just, more patriotic, thus our arguments on the treacherous behaviors of the left are more substantial and should be considered fairly. The other side though, has attempted to demean the office of the Presidency in general, President Trump in particular on the sole basis of their hatred for him. It been one unprecedented attack after another with no safe harbor. The vile attacks are coming from the left, where treasonous acts are happening on a near daily basis, all to undermine the President and establish a firm control by the socialists.


    "The government is a child that has found their parents credit card, and spends knowing that they never have to reconcile the bill with their own money"-Shannon Churchill


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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post

    A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

    http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-ca...g-on-premises/

    Wow, this church should close its doors, and all the clergy inside that participated in this should leave and go start new jobs as used car salesmen. Clearly, they are more interested in politics that Christianity, so they are wasting their time in the church.
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but a foolish man's heart directs him to the left.
    Wise men don't need advice, and fools won't take it - Ben Franklin
    "It's not how you start, it's how you finish."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Trying to follow the logic, is this right?

    Our side is more just, more patriotic, thus our arguments on the treacherous behaviors of the left are more substantial and should be considered fairly. The other side though, has attempted to demean the office of the Presidency in general, President Trump in particular on the sole basis of their hatred for him. It been one unprecedented attack after another with no safe harbor. The vile attacks are coming from the left, where treasonous acts are happening on a near daily basis, all to undermine the President and establish a firm control by the socialists.
    Accepted ..

    ... and yes, I'm sure this is accurate.

    Since it is, then President Trump's detractors deserve all that's coming to them. Such as, being shown up for what they are. Such as, paying a suitably heavy price for their thoroughly destructive ways.

    Their being totally discredited as any credible opposition 'fit for Government' would be a good outcome. I say ... let President Trump continue his work unhindered. Hopefully for a 2nd term, too, of course ... and let his achievements at the end, do all the talking.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    So in the Libyan fable it is told
    That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
    Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft,
    With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
    Are we now smitten.

    Aeschylus

    I think when our own laws are used by our enemies to destroy us, it's time to call "bullshit". To repspond to Kath: time to change the law(s). When you see the train coming down the tracks, you get off the tracks or switch the train to another track. You don't just stand there and watch a train run over you.

    I agree with tyr in that Islam as it is practiced and spread from the ME is out to do one thing: destroy us. There is no debating with rattlesnakes. You kill them.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    So in the Libyan fable it is told
    That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
    Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft,
    With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
    Are we now smitten.

    Aeschylus

    I think when our own laws are used by our enemies to destroy us, it's time to call "bullshit". To repspond to Kath: time to change the law(s). When you see the train coming down the tracks, you get off the tracks or switch the train to another track. You don't just stand there and watch a train run over you.

    I agree with tyr in that Islam as it is practiced and spread from the ME is out to do one thing: destroy us. There is no debating with rattlesnakes. You kill them.
    I see that the warrior in you speaks its wisdom my friend. The liberals and cowards now teach that standing brave and strong ,(with the knowledge , heart, bravery and valor to not only fight but know when a fight must be engaged in early to limit the higher number casualties so oft delivered if hesitation favors the enemy) is wrong!
    And we that understand know that time certainly favors Islam as they very well know and actively engage in gaining time to strengthened their foundation for victory.
    The victory that their Allah demands. Death or Enslavement of --ALL- infidels! Of all non-believers!
    This reality of this murder commanded cult is being denied, even when its Koran repeatedly shows that such is the goal, the unbreakable demand from their Allah..
    If they ever get nukes and the numbers and territorial regions that they want---they plan on starting WW3 and plan on winning it.
    Any in-depth Goggle search on their cult and its stated goals clearly show this truth- this reality- as both you and I know very well my friend.
    Trouble is- our government, dem party and mainstream media--ALL- do their best to keep the citizens from ever seeing this horrific truth, to keep the public in sympathy with this barbaric, stone-age, murdering cult that the world has been convinced is a great and peaceful religion!!...

    Islam in its 1400+ year history has murdered over 250 million innocent people and that is the lowest estimate, not the highest.. -Tyr
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    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Love is more important than the bible.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    Love is more important than the bible.
    The people who don't want to understand that are not going to. "Love" does not stop bullets. Rather, it is exploited as a weakness by those who have a different agenda.

    Exploited in the same manner our laws are by our enemies. They use our laws and beliefs to tear them down, and we stand idly by and watch. At the rate it's going, it'll be too late when even the stupid figure out there's a problem. How long did European Jews sit around and watch Hitler at work, and where did that get them? Treblinka, Dachau, Sobibor, ...
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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