What a Load of TOUCHY FEELY CRAP Air Force BMT Had Turned Into...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

There was NONE of this, "tell me your problems" BULL SHIT in 1979. Sheeeezuz... and this is 2014, it's turned into a KIDDY CAMP with SAFE PLACES and PETTY PUPPIES for the little MILLENNIAL PUSSIES... I would NOT join the Air Force today, or the Navy, or probably even the Army. Hopefully the MARINES haven't fallen pray to the LIBERAL CODDLING of recruits, I'd join the Marines...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Saw this on facebook... seemed appropriate to put it here... poke a little fun at the AF...

[STTAB]

My understanding is that in Army basic training recruits can now give their instructors a time out card when things get too rough, and take a little break. I couldn't even imagine back in the day telling Drill Sergent Edwards that I needed a time out.

[jimnyc]

My understanding is that in Army basic training recruits can now give their instructors a time out card when things get too rough, and take a little break. I couldn't even imagine back in the day telling Drill Sergent Edwards that I needed a time out.

They DID add some crying boxes, and timeout boxes like they now have in Cali, right? Feeling like the Sarge is being rough with you? Then off to the box for a good cry and let it out.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My understanding is that in Army basic training recruits can now give their instructors a time out card when things get too rough, and take a little break. I couldn't even imagine back in the day telling Drill Sergent Edwards that I needed a time out.

Even in post Vietnam, 1979 Air Force Basic Training, the T.I. could get right up in your face and scream all he wanted, and use whatever kind of language he wanted for as long as he wanted. There was no time outs or stress cards or any of that pussy crap. You either took it and got past it or you washed out, simple as that, and most took it, the vast majority. Kids nowadays are pussies. 75% of them can't even enlist. They're either too fat or too stupid or both, not to mention that testosterone is slowly diminishing from males. With each generation the males have less testosterone than their fathers.

Anyway, the physical demands back when I went through AF basic still weren't much, but they sure they hell played head games with you, probably more so than the other branches because the AF is all about paying attention to detail.

[STTAB]

Even in post Vietnam, 1979 Air Force Basic Training, the T.I. could get right up in your face and scream all he wanted, and use whatever kind of language he wanted for as long as he wanted. There was no time outs or stress cards or any of that pussy crap. You either took it and got past it or you washed out, simple as that, and most took it, the vast majority. Kids nowadays are pussies. 75% of them can't even enlist. They're either too fat or too stupid or both, not to mention that testosterone is slowly diminishing from males. With each generation the males have less testosterone than their fathers.

Anyway, the physical demands back when I went through AF basic still weren't much, but they sure they hell played head games with you, probably more so than the other branches because the AF is all about paying attention to detail.

I went through basic in 1988 Ft Dix. And the DIs could do about anything they wanted to you back then. Including ordering code reds. I remember doing pushups in 110 degree weather until I puked , and that wasn't even punishment, just normal training.

[Drummond]

I went through basic in 1988 Ft Dix. And the DIs could do about anything they wanted to you back then. Including ordering code reds. I remember doing pushups in 110 degree weather until I puked , and that wasn't even punishment, just normal training.

... and, of course, all of this 'damaged you forever' ....

You realise, of course, the seriousness of all this ? Unless the contributors to this thread aren't careful, some wandering Leftie (can't imagine who !) will come along, and worry whether any Service personnel actually get smackings these days ... (!!!) .....

[jimnyc]

I went through basic in 1988 Ft Dix. And the DIs could do about anything they wanted to you back then. Including ordering code reds. I remember doing pushups in 110 degree weather until I puked , and that wasn't even punishment, just normal training.

Kaffee: Colonel Jessup! Did you order the Code Red?

Jessup: I'll answer the question. You want answers?

Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to it!

Jessup: You want answers?!

Kaffee: I want the truth!!

Jessup: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red?

Jessup: I did the job that—-

Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red?!

Jessup: YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!

[aboutime]

[Elessar]

The Marines were the first to slap it down. Time Out? Negative - get out!

CG? does not work. We Boatswains fought it. Slinging a 12 ton buoy and 20 ton anchor on
a buoy deck, there is no Time Out unless the Bosu'n calls "SILENCE".

Anchor detail....there is no Time out unless the Bosu'n or Damage Controllman call "SILENCE'.

SAR Case....pull that on me and you are beached from a boat crew. I did it 3 times.

Company Commanders in the CG regularly got in our faces, me especially
because I was the RCC of Tango 100. RCC=Recruit Company Commander.
Red Cards? No....me and the CC's used to laugh about it in their office. It
was a stress learning experience.

[Drummond]

I have an alternative 'style' of soldiering to suggest, in case any 'PC Leftie' types come wandering by, thinking that a 'touchy feely' military is to be somehow preferred.

Actually, to borrow one Leftie's buzz-word, one might call it, ahem, a 'perspective'. Or at least, a prognostication of where that 'perspective' might lead you ....

So, here, just for my 'favourite' Leftie, he of 'I must run away, when bested' fame ... here's a uniquely British offering .... are you sitting comfortably, @pete311 ... ??



There y'go ... from the land of rampant political correctness ... who else could dream that up, eh ?

Feeling better now, Pete ?

[Elessar]

Much as I respect you @Drummond, Pete has not commented on this
thread, so that is not quite right to do.

I will leave it at that.

If he plays in, I will lay it on him.