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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    He “destroys” the idea of ‘white privilege’, by rebranding it as ‘majority privilege’ which in America is, er, white?
    What side would you say those of mixed heritage fall on?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
    then dumb and silent we may be led,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?
    If there is such a thing as white privilege, how did it evolve?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    If there is such a thing as white privilege, how did it evolve?
    I am by no means well read on the subject - but my understanding is that the base from which it grew was tribalism.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I am by no means well read on the subject - but my understanding is that the base from which it grew was tribalism.
    And there are no other tribes? Could it be that "whites" used available resources more effectively, thus expanding their tribe?

    I'm not talking about recent history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    And there are no other tribes? Could it be that "whites" used available resources more effectively, thus expanding their tribe?

    I'm not talking about recent history.
    Of course - that’s a key point, through expansion, colonialism, and institutionalism a tribe expands its powerbase and social bias.

    Individualism requires recognising and breaking down these inbuilt privileges, to remove power from the tribe and grant it to the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Of course - that’s a key point, through expansion, colonialism, and institutionalism a tribe expands its powerbase and social bias.

    Individualism requires recognising and breaking down these inbuilt privileges, to remove power from the tribe and grant it to the individual.
    So, how did whites obtain enough power to expand and colonize over other tribes?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
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    like sheep to the slaughter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    So, how did whites obtain enough power to expand and colonize over other tribes?
    As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.
    Through warfare. Through a 100+ years-long war. Same as every other country in history up to that point.
    “… the greatest detractor from high performance is fear: fear that you are not prepared, fear that you are in over your head, fear that you are not worthy, and ultimately, fear of failure. If you can eliminate that fear—not through arrogance or just wishing difficulties away, but through hard work and preparation—you will put yourself in an incredibly powerful position to take on the challenges you face" - Pete Carroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.
    If they became the dominant tribe in America how did it happen? Were they better than other tribes at warfare? If so, why? Why did they dominate? What strengths did they have that allowed them to dominate?
    If the freedom of speech is taken away
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyLady View Post
    If they became the dominant tribe in America how did it happen? Were they better than other tribes at warfare? If so, why? Why did they dominate? What strengths did they have that allowed them to dominate?
    Given my knowledge of the American Indian wars, I’m completely unequipped to answer any of those questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Given my knowledge of the American Indian wars, I’m completely unequipped to answer any of those questions.
    You should be able to answer those questions using basic common sense and deduction.
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 07-30-2018 at 09:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    You should be able to answer those question using basic common sense and deduction.
    History is rarely simple. I don’t think it would be of use to anyone for me to ramble -by way of common sense and deduction- about the American Indian wars which I know next to nothing about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    History is rarely simple. I don’t think it would be of use to anyone for me to ramble -by way of common sense and deduction- about the American Indian wars which I know next to nothing about.
    If you had any common sense, you'd know that it isn't about war anyway.

    Sassy was attempting to get you to respond to a much more basic point. Apparently it went right over your head.
    Last edited by High_Plains_Drifter; 07-31-2018 at 06:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    If you had any common sense, you'd know that isn't about war anyway.

    Sassy was attempting to get you to respond to a much more basic point. Apparently it went right over your head.
    Apparently so, do enlighten me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Apparently so, do enlighten me.
    I will give it a shot in a very general way(and perhaps only partially).
    I believe that Sassylady was pointing out the obvious, mankind exists under earthly rulers, in which each society sets its standards..
    We are not the Borg and I think you miss that trying to achieve perfect equality is an impossibility because we are not all equal in all things.
    White privilege is in essence nothing more than the complaint that others(Whites) are not punished and brought down to lesser states of existence-- in order that those less skilled, less intelligent, less driven to achieve desired treasures, wealth, and /or societal status can benefit(as in unfairly benefit from that government punishment)
    Sassylady points out quite correctly, in my opinion, the flaws in your views of white -privilege and your not understanding our history diminishing your
    already mistakenly founded view..
    If I got it somewhat correct, I agree with my friend one hundred percent.
    Noted she may explain better her comments made and her deep insight into the subject at hand my friend..-Tyr
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