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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Don't forget Obama. Although his motives were different, he basically kissed every one of our enemy's asses and even made a one-sided deal with Iran all for his ego and "legacy". .
    Amen. From the moment Obama got elected he had only one thing he cared about - legacy. He could care less about helping the nation, about making the world safer, about race riots, about the US economy, or even about healthcare. He just wanted to make momentous changes that would be hard for any successor to undo, so that he could have his historic legacy for the history books. Obama's picture should be in every dictionary next to the work "hubris".
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but a foolish man's heart directs him to the left.
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    Default Millennial Couple Bikes Through ISIS Territory to Prove ‘Humans Are Kind’ > Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Yet, the fact that that one Nazi could eventually be rehabilitated, was of zero help to the lynched black guy. Which is the point.
    Of course not - but it was of help to the black guys he didn’t lynch in the future if he had continued on that path, which is not inconsequential.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Of course not - but it was of help to the black guys he didn’t lynch in the future if he had continued on that path, which is not inconsequential.


    You need to put down the bong or bottle or glue or whatever. It's NOT helping you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Of course not - but it was of help to the black guys he didn’t lynch in the future if he had continued on that path, which is not inconsequential.
    But it is inconsequential to anyone traveling there now, and for the foreseeable future. How does that help someone traveling through an area filled with terrorists now? Isn’t that what is being discussed? Everything else is in the category of wishes and dreams, your anecdotal story notwithstanding.

    If you are saying we should all bike right on through and hope they’ve all seen the light like your Nazi guy, I’m going to have to disagree.

    If you’re saying we can change their actions by squeezing our eyes shut, and intoning, “Terrorists are good people”, I’m going to have to disagree.

    I’m sure you know the story of the scorpion and the frog?

    Noir, which is your cart, and which is your horse? Do you think we in the West have made them terrorists because we hate the killing and raping and absolute lack of human rights? Or did we just respond to those actions with disgust and fear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    But it is inconsequential to anyone traveling there now, and for the foreseeable future. How does that help someone traveling through an area filled with terrorists now? Isn’t that what is being discussed? Everything else is in the category of wishes and dreams, your anecdotal story notwithstanding.

    If you are saying we should all bike right on through and hope they’ve all seen the light like your Nazi guy, I’m going to have to disagree.

    If you’re saying we can change their actions by squeezing our eyes shut, and intoning, “Terrorists are good people”, I’m going to have to disagree.

    I’m sure you know the story of the scorpion and the frog?

    Noir, which is your cart, and which is your horse? Do you think we in the West have made them terrorists because we hate the killing and raping and absolute lack of human rights? Or did we just respond to those actions with disgust and fear?
    good point. "Terrorists" are CRIMINALS. Islamic terrorists live to kill anything or one that believes differently than them. There is no negotiating with them. They are out to convert or kill you. Either way, you mean nothing to them. They believe they are going to Heaven for it and are willing to kill themselves to kill you. They have proven themselves willing to do so for decades since Arafat started the crap back in the 50s.

    That's pretty straight-forward and simple. Nothing confusing at all. Except people who cannot understand the simple science of action/reaction or the concept of consequence.
    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke

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