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    Default Sir drummond.

    GOD BLESS. Here across the pond, we are watching the madness of the U.K., and wondering why WE, here in the USA, are so blinded by our own versions of stupidity.
    The World has become "MAD" with stupidity, anger, hatred, and selfishness developed over the years as uneducated demands of "i" , "ME" , and "SCREW EVERYBODY ELSE".

    Good luck. Boy, am I glad I'm getting older, fast. And won't live to see where all of this DUMB, HATEFILLED CRAP ENDS.
    I love to make Liberals Cry, and Whine.
    So, this is for them.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA - IN GOD WE TRUST !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    To be clear: are you accusing Mrs May of bribery ??

    Until or unless you explain yourself, I'll assume this is some sort of reference to how DUP support was acquired. I think (if so) the real point is that the DUP have, for the most part, common cause with the Conservatives (neither wants Corbyn's lot to get into No 10 !!). Where that common cause is served, they become supportive allies.

    Considering that Mrs May's Government is a minority one ... YES ... I think 'quite comfortably' is accurate.
    The DUPs common cause begins and ends at the £1 billion they secured in return for their votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    The DUPs common cause begins and ends at the £1 billion they secured in return for their votes.
    Really ?

    So, you think that the Brexit deal's 'backstop' clause meant nothing to the DUP ?

    Did I imagine the DUP's withdrawal of support from the Conservative Government, then, on the matter of the Brexit deal's ratification ??
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Really ?

    So, you think that the Brexit deal's 'backstop' clause meant nothing to the DUP ?

    Did I imagine the DUP's withdrawal of support from the Conservative Government, then, on the matter of the Brexit deal's ratification ??
    Yes they did withdraw support and voted against the government on section 13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Yes they did withdraw support and voted against the government on section 13.
    Really ?

    HOW ?

    I remind you of your own words:

    The DUPs common cause begins and ends at the £1 billion they secured in return for their votes

    To be consistent with what you've claimed for them, Noir, the DUP could not possibly have withdrawn their support. After all, the Conservatives 'paid them off' ... yes ?? All the DUP cares about is the money they've had ... yes ??

    However, we both know that the DUP actually DID withdraw their support.

    Would you care to try and find consistency in any of that, Noir ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Really ?

    HOW ?

    I remind you of your own words:


    To be consistent with what you've claimed for them, Noir, the DUP could not possibly have withdrawn their support. After all, the Conservatives 'paid them off' ... yes ?? All the DUP cares about is the money they've had ... yes ??

    However, we both know that the DUP actually DID withdraw their support.

    Would you care to try and find consistency in any of that, Noir ?
    Their votes ensure the Conservative party stays in power, they are not there to ensure a Conservative executive will be able to push through legislation. These are mutual exclusive priorities for the DUP. This weeks voting demonstrated that perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Their votes ensure the Conservative party stays in power, they are not there to ensure a Conservative executive will be able to push through legislation. These are mutual exclusive priorities for the DUP. This weeks voting demonstrated that perfectly.
    Arguable at absolute best.

    If they don't see their role as being enablers for legislation to pass ... then, what actual use are they ? What you're effectively saying is that the DUP will defend the Conservatives against moves to oust them from power, but not assist them in the ability to actually GOVERN. Any Party in power, here, has to be able to pass legislation in the House, because if it can't, it'd be incapable of instituting Manifesto (and other) changes they'd want to make.

    What would be the point of voting for a Government whose manifesto couldn't possibly be acted upon ??

    No, Noir.

    The DUP is in opposition to the Government on the Backstop issue. On that specific issue, they won't back them. But on other legislative initiatives the Conservatives had put before Parliament, DUP support has been forthcoming .. this preventing measures forever being voted down by opposing MP's.

    Or are you saying that the Conservatives haven't governed us at all, since the last election ?

    So I reject what you're claiming. You're trying to paint the Conservatives as a 'zombie' Government (Corbyn's current charming turn-of-phrase, employed about Brexit) when, in fact, they've been effectively governing on non-Brexit issues, thanks to the DUP's rubber-stamping actions.

    The DUP only disrupts Conservative efforts to govern specifically as a protest against a Brexit clause they're unhappy with. For the most part, they have permitted Government to function normally.
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    Bless, remember how simple things were only two years ago?
    (Front cover of the Times)
    What could possibly go wrong (:

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    Just another average day for Brexit - a Tory MP made a factualy incorrect statement via his twitter, and in responce to people pointing his error, um...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Just another average day for Brexit - a Tory MP made a factualy incorrect statement via his twitter, and in responce to people pointing his error, um...
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    [Spelling errors, corrected: FACTUALLY -- RESPONSE]
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    Internal papers confirm deals with Japan and Turkey will not be ready in time for Brexit. Dozens more deals with non-EU countries are currently incomplete. Yikes.

    Britain will not be ready to roll over the EU’s trade deal with Japan or customs union with Turkey by the end of next month, leaving businesses cut out of valuable tariff-free transactions if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

    So far seven of the EU’s 69 deals with external countries have been rolled over by the UK.

    Ben Digby at the CBI called it “an unwelcome surprise”.

    “Individual businesses trading with markets outside the EU would face tariffs worth millions of pounds being slapped on them instantaneously. In total, UK trade deals through the EU span five continents and are vital for the smooth export of our goods and services,” he said.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...o-deal-brexit/
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    Just watched John Oliver's show and he said a big issue is the Northern Irish border and how they won't accept checkpoints if you leave the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Just watched John Oliver's show and he said a big issue is the Northern Irish border and how they won't accept checkpoints if you leave the EU.
    Ive spent the last few days in England and it’s amazing how many people have almost no knowledge of the situation in Northern Ireland, nevermind how brexit will impact on it.
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    May confirms that there will be no vote in parliament this week, but that one will happen by the 12th March...a whole two weeks before Brexit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    May confirms that there will be no vote in parliament this week, but that one will happen by the 12th March...a whole two weeks before Brexit...
    Indeed.

    Just goes to show how thoroughly unreasonable the EU is being. If they'd been willing to give Mrs May anything of what she needed to get a deal through Parliament, she'd be rushing back, saying 'Look, this is the progress we've been seeking .. so, now, support the deal !'.

    Instead ... just more of the same obstinacy must be governing events. The EU is absolutely determined to push through their stitch-up of a deal. Those disgusting control freaks are showing implacable determination to force us to bend to them.

    This, in itself, proves why they're unfit to have us as continuing members. They've no interest in being helpful ... in reaching a compromise we can work with ... otherwise, we'd have seen it emerge by now. To them, it's just an 'obey us or else' imperative.

    Come a hard Brexit .. Southern Ireland can enjoy a taste of EU tyranny, when they see border controls forced on them, whether they like it or not. Let them properly 'appreciate' their lack of freedom in the matter.
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