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    Default Bart Starr us the greatest quarterback ever.

    I don't think so. But using the model of most "rings " as seems to be in fashion today.

    starr was seven titles including the first two Super Bowls.

    that makes him better than Montana and Brady.

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    That's a point. The ring is earned as a team. An individual can be a great talent surrounded by lesser players, or have seasons full of injuries, resulting in fewer rings.
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    I'm a packer fan, but no, starr is not the best ever

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    The "Best Quarterback Ever" is the quarterback in your mind that made you happy when you watched football. Eons ago when it was a real game.

    Anyway, there is no best quarterback ever and never will be. Terry Bradshaw was my favorite quarterback and he was WAY far from the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The "Best Quarterback Ever" is the quarterback in your mind that made you happy when you watched football. Eons ago when it was a real game.

    Anyway, there is no best quarterback ever and never will be. Terry Bradshaw was my favorite quarterback and he was WAY far from the best
    Jim McMahon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Diamond View Post
    Jim McMahon.
    You're REALLY digging through some O-L-D threads.

    I liked a lot of QBs/players for a variety of reasons. QBs depend a lot on the team around them, and again, who you liked when you watched the game. I outgrew pro football when I was a teen. Loosely followed/take-it-or-leave-it since.

    I boycotted last year, and will continue to do so as long as players are allowed to "protest anyway".

    Younger people tend to forget that the NFL existed before them. Hell, Roman Gabriel wouldn't know how to play in today's QB protected game. He couldn't complete a pass without at least 3 guys hanging off him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    You're REALLY digging through some O-L-D threads.

    I liked a lot of QBs/players for a variety of reasons. QBs depend a lot on the team around them, and again, who you liked when you watched the game. I outgrew pro football when I was a teen. Loosely followed/take-it-or-leave-it since.

    I boycotted last year, and will continue to do so as long as players are allowed to "protest anyway".

    Younger people tend to forget that the NFL existed before them. Hell, Roman Gabriel wouldn't know how to play in today's QB protected game. He couldn't complete a pass without at least 3 guys hanging off him.
    Yeah. I was curious about the running so I went down the list of all the threads I had started to find it and caught a few threads that piqued my interest. .

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    Speaking of QBs ... I always liked Don Meredith. I didn't know he was dead. Shows how much I pay attention ....
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    Way too hard to narrow it down to one. But Brady, as much as I hate him, not only has all the rings, but also holds a lot of career & individual season stats records.

    But in addition to him, and of course MY favorite in Bradshaw and his own 4 rings, I would also rank...

    Joe Montana has to be in the discussion. Roger Staubach, as much as I detested him as the enemy! John Elway. The best without any glitter to show for it - Dan Marino. Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, another old timer in Johnny Unitas. And if including the pre-bowl era, can't leave out Sammy Baugh & Otto Graham. And hell, I don't even really know much about the old timer, just rankings and stories over the years, but of course all well before my time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    Way too hard to narrow it down to one. But Brady, as much as I hate him, not only has all the rings, but also holds a lot of career & individual season stats records.

    But in addition to him, and of course MY favorite in Bradshaw and his own 4 rings, I would also rank...

    Joe Montana has to be in the discussion. Roger Staubach, as much as I detested him as the enemy! John Elway. The best without any glitter to show for it - Dan Marino. Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, another old timer in Johnny Unitas. And if including the pre-bowl era, can't leave out Sammy Baugh & Otto Graham. And hell, I don't even really know much about the old timer, just rankings and stories over the years, but of course all well before my time.
    Bart Starr won seven "rings ". But no one mentions him. That's what I find odd. It seems to be Montana vs Brady because of championships. There's this talk of Brady moving ahead of Montana because he has one more ring. But what about Starr? He hasn't eclipsed his number of titles.
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    On the other side of the coin, one of the greatest quarterbacks to never
    win a championship was Sonny Jurgensen.

    He could stand flat-footed and throw end zone to end zone, his arm was that strong.

    I think it was Deacon Jones (I cannot recall, it's been a while) that said "you just did NOT
    tackle Sonny. He was such a gentleman on the field that I just wrap him up and lay him down".
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Full disclosure, I was born one month before the opening of and 50 miles from Lambeau Field. I don't recall the back to back championships against the Giants in '61 & '62 but was a full on fanatic for the three-peat of '65-'67. I am also a Packer shareholder. I agree that Bart Starr is not the greatest quarterback of all time but I would definitely rank him in the top five. The position of quarterback was different back in the 60's. The QB called all of the plays, they were fair game to some of the most vicious linebackers and d-linemen in the history of the game and their receivers were not allowed unmolested routes downfield. Among his contemporaries, only Johnny Unitas is consistently rated ahead of him (even though he had only one championship with nearly equal talent). He was 9-1 career in the playoffs, still holds the highest career playoff QB rating (104.8), retired with an NFL best completion percentage and held the Packer record for total games played for 32 years (until Bret Favre passed him). In summary, he didn't have the greatest arm but he was the ultimate big game field general. Vince Lombardi, when he was head coach of the Washington Redskins, was asked who was the greatest quarterback of all time. He responded that Unitas was a special player but all Bart Starr ever did was win. That's good enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeNewsSux View Post
    Full disclosure, I was born one month before the opening of and 50 miles from Lambeau Field. I don't recall the back to back championships against the Giants in '61 & '62 but was a full on fanatic for the three-peat of '65-'67. I am also a Packer shareholder. I agree that Bart Starr is not the greatest quarterback of all time but I would definitely rank him in the top five. The position of quarterback was different back in the 60's. The QB called all of the plays, they were fair game to some of the most vicious linebackers and d-linemen in the history of the game and their receivers were not allowed unmolested routes downfield. Among his contemporaries, only Johnny Unitas is consistently rated ahead of him (even though he had only one championship with nearly equal talent). He was 9-1 career in the playoffs, still holds the highest career playoff QB rating (104.8), retired with an NFL best completion percentage and held the Packer record for total games played for 32 years (until Bret Favre passed him). In summary, he didn't have the greatest arm but he was the ultimate big game field general. Vince Lombardi, when he was head coach of the Washington Redskins, was asked who was the greatest quarterback of all time. He responded that Unitas was a special player but all Bart Starr ever did was win. That's good enough for me.
    Perhaps there should a “Best QB” named for each decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Perhaps there should a “Best QB” named for each decade.
    I think it would still be the same thing. All due respects to Fauxnews, but the Packers would have been "packin'" it home after the Ice Bowl if they'd had instant replay back then .

    I do agree with his assessment of the "times" though. For instance .... Tony Romo. If he had even made the team in the 60s -- a BIG "if" -- the first time Butkus hit his pansy a$$ he'd have been out for the rest of his one and only season. A LOT of today's receivers wouldn't have lasted long. And where would all the records be without "turf"?

    I LOVED watching games in Dec in the mud. Matter of fact, I loved PLAYING in them Best way to destroy a game is for it to become popular with the public. Well, ruin anything for that matter.

    I was surprised to find on youtube some clip about longest or baddest or meanest or whatever rivalries and the ones WE think are rivalvries fall behind teams like the Eagles, Giants and Browns who have been apparently player-hating longer than anyone thought. They just haven't been rivalries during our time.
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    OK... THREAD HIJACK... what's a quarter back? ...

    Fuck football, and the blind mule those ass clowns rode in on. They piss on my flag and national anthem, they sure as hell won't be on my TV.

    Now carry on, and ban me from the thread for hihacking it... but before you do, I'll say sorry... I just couldn't control myself... I plead temporary insanity...

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