Today marks 17 years since the events of 9/11

[jimnyc]

I really can't believe it's been that long.

How many here stated then, or not long after, "I'll never forget" and went along exactly with the rest of the nation on that aspect?

Now, how many here have lost sight, and perhaps HAVE forgotten those events, and those thousands of lives?

There are far too many around the nation that have long forgotten already. Even our government put aside differences and got together as one. But that only lasted a day or so before back to the same 'ol same 'ol.

Back then, flags were popping up all over again and being proudly displayed. Now? Not only less flags memorializing 9/11, but in many aspects wearing or having or doing something with the American flag can get you in hot water these days. Don't wan't to offend the innocent muslims, ya know?

Now, and far from only here, there are still endless arguments about that day. Things have changed, many have in fact forgotten, and that's sad. But worse when and if it may be used as a tool, or the blame game crap.

But dang, my kid just went off to college, and he wasn't even a year old yet when 9/11 took place.


There is no way to describe or explain or somehow list the amount of heroes that appeared out of the woodwork on that day. Regular everyday people, police officers, firemen, clergy & even rescue dogs. And that's just the beginning, no way to truly honor everyone from all sides. But those who worked to save lives or did save lives, now THOSE are heroes. REAL heroes who saved lives, put their own lives in grave danger & many actually died while helping others. Now THAT is true sacrificing.

Here are a few of those folks...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I really can't believe it's been that long.

How many here stated then, or not long after, "I'll never forget" and went along exactly with the rest of the nation on that aspect?

Now, how many here have lost sight, and perhaps HAVE forgotten those events, and those thousands of lives?

There are far too many around the nation that have long forgotten already. Even our government put aside differences and got together as one. But that only lasted a day or so before back to the same 'ol same 'ol.

Back then, flags were popping up all over again and being proudly displayed. Now? Not only less flags memorializing 9/11, but in many aspects wearing or having or doing something with the American flag can get you in hot water these days. Don't wan't to offend the innocent muslims, ya know?

Now, and far from only here, there are still endless arguments about that day. Things have changed, many have in fact forgotten, and that's sad. But worse when and if it may be used as a tool, or the blame game crap.

But dang, my kid just went off to college, and he wasn't even a year old yet when 9/11 took place.


There is no way to describe or explain or somehow list the amount of heroes that appeared out of the woodwork on that day. Regular everyday people, police officers, firemen, clergy & even rescue dogs. And that's just the beginning, no way to truly honor everyone from all sides. But those who worked to save lives or did save lives, now THOSE are heroes. REAL heroes who saved lives, put their own lives in grave danger & many actually died while helping others. Now THAT is true sacrificing.

Yes , it has been 17 years and just look at the state that Islam is in worldwide..
Has it been diminished any at all?? NO
And it was Islam that did that!!! It was not crazy aliens from another planet.
The government and media have done a great job at convincing most people Islam is not to blame?
FFING bullshit!!
Islam and their cult book, the damn Koran, are solely to blame.
We should have declared war on Islam instead of deciding to cover for them. Now Islam is stronger than ever and protected by their dark Lord(Satan).--I am sick of the lie -that Islam is a religion of peace! It is so damn easy to research and find that the exact opposite is true..
To hell with the damn muzzy's.. Islam is a cancer.....functions exactly like a cancer.. stands against everything our Constitution promotes.. yet festers here in our nation biding its time to destroy, a fact......(wake up)
Some of us do not forget, do not forgive and carry the deepest hatred ever known to man..
They had best pray, some patriots never decide to act upon that and deliver some justice back to those filthyyyyyyyyyyyy animals.
FFKKKK THEM.....---TYR

[aboutime]

I will happily drop my pants to allow you to KISS MY ASS! Hope you like the taste!

[Noir]

How many here stated then, or not long after, "I'll never forget" and went along exactly with the rest of the nation on that aspect?

Now, how many here have lost sight, and perhaps HAVE forgotten those events, and those thousands of lives?

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

So states a person that is not an American... One that is a liberal, always keen to defend those that do evil...
Those college kids that do not know..hmmmm.
Tell me how that blindness occurred-will ya?
Was it by a non-stop government/media campaign to insure forgetfulness, to make damn sure that 9/11, a major historic event, was not taught in our schools?
You that live in a liberal lala land haven't a damn clue.--Tyr

[jimnyc]

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

I can agree with you to an extent on all of this. For those of us that were alive when it took place, and some of us closer to the area than others, it was an extremely emotional day, which turned into an emotional remembrance 17 years running thus far.

The scared I felt, the complete unknown, running out of NYC while still not fully knowing, but hearing all the horrid details coming out as I had the obvious extended drive home. Some folks lost loved ones and some lost friends. My wife lost 2 colleagues in the towers that day. A few others I know apparently knew folks there. I had a connection myself, but very distant.

I can understand letting go some of the emotion of "anger", as Bin Laden is dead as are others involved. No point carrying rage about the incident, and I do agree that it would be unhealthy. But I will never forget the 'type' that committed these acts, and apparently why. And it does bring me with a closer attention to Islam, the radical side I speak of, and I won't forget that those terrorist types committed these acts. That many still exist, more to come & one main goal they all share is "death to America" in some fashion.

So yeah, I let go of the anger towards those that are dead and/or in the slammer. But I sleep with one eye open when it comes to radical Islam, which is a huge portion of Islam. I won't forget the entirety of the act and every last person remotely to be involved. We need to be ever vigilant in protecting our country & preparing for scum like this to exist and/or want to bring harm to us.

But yes, I do understand your point, and I agree with it. It's just that, IMO, certain things should never be forgotten. And I HOPE and PRAY that when kids that are born today, and whether in HS or college - learn the 100% truth about everything that transpired that day. None of that "Bush did it" crap in text books nor how "we may be responsible" in some manner for their actions. EFF THAT - it was a HUGE crime, and there is no excuse whatsoever for them to have done so, no matter what one thinks we may have done or didn't do for another country.

[Elessar]

I was at a CG Search and Rescue station in Bayside, Queens (Ft Totten) in the early 80's.
3/4ers of our Reservists were cops or firefighters in NYC.

That particular day I was on leave while living in Long Beach CA. My brother and I had
been to a Redskins vs Chargers game in San Diego the day before.

While watching The news over morning coffee, I saw what was unfolding. Without hesitation,
I shaved, showered and went into the Command Center at CG Group Los Angeles - Long Beach
to augment the watch. (I was the Senior Controller). It was pandemonium in both
harbors. No vessels allowed in unless escorted.

Forget? NO! Forgive? NO!

[Drummond]

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

So what you're saying, is:

1. Don't forget what happened. However ...

2. Make sure you cease to view it, and feel about it, as people did at that time.

WHY ???

Tell me. In your Leftie world, are people entitled to learn (for example) about the horrors of Auschwitz, but NOT entitled to feel anything for Nazism's victims there ?

It's surely essentially the same point as the one you're trying to make now. An atrocity was committed on this day, in New York, all those years ago. Americans have the RIGHT to feel as they do, and I would argue (to the extent I could even have the smallest justification in adding my own judgment on this !) that if they want to revisit their memories of that day, and feel what they feel about it all, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, AND IT IS 'HEALTHY' THAT THEY DO !!!

I don't feel at all comfortable about judging any of this. How is it, Noir, that you do ??

In your world, would you rather that Americans become emotionally disengaged, so that all impetus and motivation in fighting the evil that spawned this terrorism, is lost ??

Do you believe that grieving families have now lost the right to grieve ??

Do you now appreciate, Noir, how WRONG you are ??

[aboutime]

We should all remember why the FRENCH wear Brown Pants, and Red Shirts. Not to mention why their OLD WW1 and 2 Navy's can be viewed by GLASS BOTTOMED BOATS.

[jimnyc]

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

Re-reading this thread and thinking about this, and wanted to add a few things.

Vietnam for example. Was long over and a part of history before we were taught anything about that war. Same of course goes for the World Wars and a bunch of battles. The revolutionary war & the civil war...

Now, while I don't get the "same" emotion going over and remembering those events, as I do with 9/11, as I simply wasn't alive back then. But, I surely do feel an emotional connection to the events. I KNOW that these men and women fought and so many gave their lives for my freedoms. I feel VERY emotional about Vietnam, the wall and other connected memorials and events. Not because I was there or lived through it, but because it was such a HUGE part of our history, and over 58,000 brave soldiers killed in action. 150,000+ wounded. 1,500+ missing in action. And I know just SO many people that were in Vietnam, or have a parent or relative that was there.

WW1 and WW2. Not many left, but sure were some brave soldiers, once again fighting for our freedoms.

So yeah, no doubt that kids that weren't alive during the events of 9/11, or the events of various wars, won't feel or will have detached emotions. I know I have them. I have a lot of pride in these brave soldiers, so many of them lying in Arlington right now. I have a lot of sadness for the amount of deaths, and for the loss the families had to deal with.

And I think that this national pride should apply to everyone. Maybe not everyone has been in the amount or the size of the wars we have seen, or the losses. But I think folks should still all be understanding of those losses, and sacrifices & emotions that can be invoked.

[Drummond]

Re-reading this thread and thinking about this, and wanted to add a few things.

Vietnam for example. Was long over and a part of history before we were taught anything about that war. Same of course goes for the World Wars and a bunch of battles. The revolutionary war & the civil war...

Now, while I don't get the "same" emotion going over and remembering those events, as I do with 9/11, as I simply wasn't alive back then. But, I surely do feel an emotional connection to the events. I KNOW that these men and women fought and so many gave their lives for my freedoms. I feel VERY emotional about Vietnam, the wall and other connected memorials and events. Not because I was there or lived through it, but because it was such a HUGE part of our history, and over 58,000 brave soldiers killed in action. 150,000+ wounded. 1,500+ missing in action. And I know just SO many people that were in Vietnam, or have a parent or relative that was there.

WW1 and WW2. Not many left, but sure were some brave soldiers, once again fighting for our freedoms.

So yeah, no doubt that kids that weren't alive during the events of 9/11, or the events of various wars, won't feel or will have detached emotions. I know I have them. I have a lot of pride in these brave soldiers, so many of them lying in Arlington right now. I have a lot of sadness for the amount of deaths, and for the loss the families had to deal with.

And I think that this national pride should apply to everyone. Maybe not everyone has been in the amount or the size of the wars we have seen, or the losses. But I think folks should still all be understanding of those losses, and sacrifices & emotions that can be invoked.

Great post.

Your final point, touching on the matter of national pride, is perhaps Noir's greatest difficulty in identifying with an American's mindset. National pride, these days at least, is far more a part of your culture and thinking than it is in Noir's.

Fly a Union Jack outside your house, or wherever ... and there are those who'll attack you for being 'racist', or overly jingoistic. Our Socialists in particular (of which, it seems, Noir is one) want us turned into a fully multicultural society, which can't help but mean that our sense of national identity dies a death. In America, as I see it, the opposite is true.

Therefore, 9/11 was always bound to have a particular emotional impact, and significance for you, which Noir just isn't equipped to relate to. He therefore addresses his concept of what's 'right' about the nature of your marking that day, wholly oblivious of what's fully involved.

I judge, though, that Noir just doesn't care. He thinks he's right, and would rather preach his limited 'PC' outlook than be receptive to greater truths.

[LongTermGuy]

[Elessar]

Reading through this thread again brought back some thoughts.

There were citizens from many nations, not just the USA, that died in the World Trade Center.
90 global nations! Yes, majority USA.

So there WAS a global impact, not just with commerce affected, but with human cost.

https://brilliantmaps.com/9-11-victims/

Countries with 9/11 Memorials:

http://www.memorialmapping.com/memor...wse-by-country

Noir just does not know what he is talking about, but loves to psycho-babble!

[SassyLady]

Forgetting events? No.
But forgetting emotions? Yes, and in the most part that is a healthy and inevitable outcome.

There’s also a wave of about-to-be college students who weren’t alive before 9/11, who’s emotions are about as detached as it is possible to be, that changes conversations.

Noir, I don't walk around carrying my emotions regarding 9/11 on my sleeve, but it's there just under the surface and when I see photos or videos of that time my emotions are front and center ... because that's just how deep the cut is.

I didn't lose anyone that day but did lose friends in the war afterwards. The pain fades but the emotions will always be there.

I wasn't alive when Pearl Harbor happened but I will get emotional when I see clips of that day.

How can you even think its healthy to forget emotions related to such devasting events? Hopefully, its those emotions that keep us vigilant against those who wish to repeat the ugliness they caused.

It's not unhealthy to keep the emotions ... it's only unhealthy if they interfere with functionality.

[Noir]

@Jim Then maybe I can be more specific- what is your sentiment regarding “I’ll never forget”
Forget what?