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    Default Pres Trump Threatens to Close Southern border

    Threatens to send the military there to close it:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...tion/23564961/

    I dunno. Good idea, but he might need to declare Martial Law to do it legally.
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    FINALLY!

    Should have been done years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Threatens to send the military there to close it:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...tion/23564961/

    I dunno. Good idea, but he might need to declare Martial Law to do it legally.
    Why? The Dems/left would have you believe that, but the fact is, there is nothing wrong with using the US military to defend the sovereign border of the US. I could be mistaken (not really -- I'm a Marine ), but isn't physically defending the US against invasion one of the US military's primary missions?

    That whole "you can't deploy US troops within the US" is being taken out fo context for political purposes. Not like that's anything new for the left. The intent of the law is that the US military no be used against its own citizens. That went about as far as Lincoln Not that it cannot be used to within the border to protect it.

    Would make the military pretty pointless otherwise, wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Why? The Dems/left would have you believe that, but the fact is, there is nothing wrong with using the US military to defend the sovereign border of the US. I could be mistaken (not really -- I'm a Marine ), but isn't physically defending the US against invasion one of the US military's primary missions?

    That whole "you can't deploy US troops within the US" is being taken out fo context for political purposes. Not like that's anything new for the left. The intent of the law is that the US military no be used against its own citizens. That went about as far as Lincoln Not that it cannot be used to within the border to protect it.

    Would make the military pretty pointless otherwise, wouldn't it?
    Your points are valid. But it is not an invasion of troops.
    If they are engaged on our soil, then the rule of law must apply is the way I am seeing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Your points are valid. But it is not an invasion of troops.
    If they are engaged on our soil, then the rule of law must apply is the way I am seeing it.
    The "rule of law" does not preclude the INTENT of the law. Dem's cherry-picking words is not law, IMO.

    Using your interpretation, you are saying that if Mexico, Russia or Cana-duh invade, we cannot deploy troops to defend our sovereign border. So we have a military to defend the US but can do so only on foreign soil? Nonsensical.

    In order to defend the sovereign border of the US, we HAVE to be able to deploy troops within our border OR we become the invaders OR we let them waltz right in. A long as those troops are facing OUTBOARD, I don't see a valid argument from anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The "rule of law" does not preclude the INTENT of the law. Dem's cherry-picking words is not law, IMO.

    Using your interpretation, you are saying that if Mexico, Russia or Cana-duh invade, we cannot deploy troops to defend our sovereign border. So we have a military to defend the US but can do so only on foreign soil? Nonsensical.

    In order to defend the sovereign border of the US, we HAVE to be able to deploy troops within our border OR we become the invaders OR we let them waltz right in. A long as those troops are facing OUTBOARD, I don't see a valid argument from anyone.
    No, that is not my intent at all. Foreign Nation invades, all bets are off. This is not a nation,
    so by rule of law, I think Martial Law should be declared along the border to make it legal under
    OUR Laws.

    I believe we see the same thing, just in a different manner. Remember, I DID have to attend
    Maritime Law Enforcement School 3 times and annual training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    No, that is not my intent at all. Foreign Nation invades, all bets are off. This is not a nation,
    so by rule of law, I think Martial Law should be declared along the border to make it legal under
    OUR Laws.

    I believe we see the same thing, just in a different manner. Remember, I DID have to attend
    Maritime Law Enforcement School 3 times and annual training.
    They don't just throw us to the wolves without school. Irrelevant. We disagree on the interpretation of the law. My interpretation is based on the law, and the intent of the law. The President does not need to declare martial law to deploy the US military to defend the sovereign US border.

    IMO, it would be better for President Trump to deploy the military WITHOUT such a declaration as he can defend such a decision easier than he can a declaration of martial law which would give the Dems the ammo they are seeking to impeach him. Any such decision also needs to include a "go to" plan when the Dems try to or do tie it up in court as they have anything else he has done.
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    Default Pres Trump Threatens to Close Southern border

    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Threatens to send the military there to close it:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/10/18/trump-threatens-to-order-military-to-close-our-southern-border-over-immigration/23564961/

    I dunno. Good idea, but he might need to declare Martial Law to do it legally.
    Great idea. The Ancient Romans did exactly that. It helped keep the barbarians out of the empire. They even built walls to keep them out. When they stopped doing that, the empire went into decline and, eventually, the barbarians sacked Rome and took over the Western Empire. Which ushered in the Dark Ages......

    Funny how there are so many parallels between them and us


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    Hannity just said 14,000. We are being invaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Hannity just said 14,000. We are being invaded.
    Close it!

    Send in the Military....Army, Marines, and Air Force with A 10's overhead.
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    And the left is out there, not even shy about it, telling all their politicians to ignore this "caravan" and to concentrate on other things. I would also have ZERO doubt that someone is helping them to some extent. And will help further once they reach the border. The left couldn't care less about our country, or borders or immigration laws... They would rather help folks that try and sneak into our country - MUCH MORE so than they want to help our American homeless, our veterans in need of assistance & those in TRUE need around our country. But nope, the left will ignore them - and then welcome in votes.. I mean illegals, with open arms.

    It literally sickens me to see such a huge percentage of our country that is willing to shit on our own Americans in need - and then brag about getting illegals here and helping them first.

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    If up to me? Put up 50,000 signs starting 2 miles away, and continue up til our border. Make it known, shots WILL be fired at anyone trying to enter our "home" illegally. Also if up to me, cover the border with any and all of our available soldiers, whether marines or the guard, don't care - just don't let people come here and make "demands" instantly. The Hondurans are on their way here - paint a swastika on the American flag and then burn it. They outright state they want jobs and freebies. I say fuck 'em, let them turn around and walk another 2,000 miles home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    And the left is out there, not even shy about it, telling all their politicians to ignore this "caravan" and to concentrate on other things. I would also have ZERO doubt that someone is helping them to some extent. And will help further once they reach the border. The left couldn't care less about our country, or borders or immigration laws... They would rather help folks that try and sneak into our country - MUCH MORE so than they want to help our American homeless, our veterans in need of assistance & those in TRUE need around our country. But nope, the left will ignore them - and then welcome in votes.. I mean illegals, with open arms.

    It literally sickens me to see such a huge percentage of our country that is willing to shit on our own Americans in need - and then brag about getting illegals here and helping them first.

    ---

    If up to me? Put up 50,000 signs starting 2 miles away, and continue up til our border. Make it known, shots WILL be fired at anyone trying to enter our "home" illegally. Also if up to me, cover the border with any and all of our available soldiers, whether marines or the guard, don't care - just don't let people come here and make "demands" instantly. The Hondurans are on their way here - paint a swastika on the American flag and then burn it. They outright state they want jobs and freebies. I say fuck 'em, let them turn around and walk another 2,000 miles home.
    Globalists, no nations, no borders- one world government-- that is who is helping them , that is who installed the obama, that is who is engineering the weakening of this great nation by division, chaos, violence, propaganda, bought out politicians = dem party and all with the aid of this nation's enemies both foreign and domestic.
    Immigration is the primary weapon as they seed in elements that will weaken us, strive to support their ally the dem party and soak up our resources and tax our hospitals, law enforcement entities, our maintaining our culture, etc.....-Anybody interested in the truth google research globalists.
    They do not even try to hide it anymore as they did decades ago. -Tyr
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