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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I think the question implies loading that I don't view as important.
    People protected other people, variables like age, sex, religion, race etc may be applied afterwards for narrative, but i think the narrative is unnecessary.

    If you want the narrative to be important, or at the very least think it is, then fair enough.

    Though there is a good argument to be made by narrative for the motivations of a mass murderer - assuming they have made it clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    I think the question implies loading that I don't view as important.
    People protected other people, variables like age, sex, religion, race etc may be applied afterwards for narrative, but i think the narrative is unnecessary.

    If you want the narrative to be important, or at the very least think it is, then fair enough.

    Though there is a good argument to be made by narrative for the motivations of a mass murderer - assuming they have made it clear.
    What narrative?

    Simple facts, of which you are quite aware, using your A and B symbols:

    A. In this country, especially very recently, liberals/ feminists have started a whole movement to make people aware that men are vicious predators. Including dragging an innocent man’s reputation through the mud based on virtually nothing. He deserved it, because, wait for it, he’s a man.
    B. Yet, even in this awful climate where they are despised, these men in CA protected women when it could likely mean losing their own life. As do the military.

    Now, I am wondering what your world is like that you *seem* to not understand why it is remarkable that any man these days would be willing to protect women he doesn’t even know.
    Even to the point of self-sacrifice.

    And why wouldn’t a woman protect men if they are capable? Women today aren’t being stereotyped and blamed and despised and publicly ridiculed like men are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Now, I am wondering what your world is like that you *seem* to not understand why it is remarkable that any man these days would be willing to protect women he doesn’t even know.
    Even to the point of self-sacrifice.
    Interesting that it’s not remarkable to me, but it is to you. Which would imply my expectation of reality is better than yours, at least when applied to this case.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Interesting that it’s not remarkable to me, but it is to you. Which would imply my expectation of reality is better than yours, at least when applied to this case.
    What is an “expectation of reality? It’s either reality, or it’s not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    What is an “expectation of reality? It’s either reality, or it’s not.
    ...like, we both have expectations, and reality either verifies or refutes these expectations.

    You apparently find the OP remarkable because it is not what you expect, for whatever reason. When I do not find it remarkable.
    Last edited by Noir; 11-09-2018 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Interesting that it’s not remarkable to me, but it is to you. Which would imply my expectation of reality is better than yours, at least when applied to this case.

    Noir. Your statement above is very telling. It appears to me. You and those who live where you do, are complacent, and willing to turn a blind eye to such REMARKABLE happenings. Truth is. That is exactly what is going wrong around the World.

    It is easier to just accept the abnormal as just another hurdle to cross. But here in the U.S. We have higher expectations of other human beings. Call it naive if you like, but our Freedoms, and Liberties have higher expectations that ALL HUMANS Do Not have to accept what you call UNREMARKABLE. That is the Reality we enjoy, expect, and hope to see from all people.

    Our last president, and our present day liberal politicians thrive on appeasement, looking the other way...as to not hurt anyone's feelings, or insult them if they HATE, and want to KILL us.
    You can have that kind of life. As for ME, and I suspect, other Americans. We do not want life to be that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    ...like, we both have expectations, and reality either verifies or refutes these expectations.

    You apparently find the OP remarkable because it is not what you expect, for whatever reason. When I do not find it remarkable.
    Reality is that it's a damned crying shame that ANYONE find anything remarkable about men acting like men. You are only correct in that it should not be noteworthy because it shouldn't even be a question.

    YOU are on the wrong side of this and should have just kept your wrong opinion to yourself. Best I can tell, you probably have a 3 page recipe for boiling that contains neither water nor source of heat as ingredient and means, respectively.
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    Yep... all that wonderful psychoanalysis and psychobabble of what is actually an incredibly basic concept. "MEN ACT LIKE MEN AND PROTECT WOMEN."

    It takes a rather robust state of mental dysfunction and chaos to think that simple premise is such that it requires voluminous dissection to understand.

    Liberals... pfft... morons. Pretending to be such intellectuals when in reality all they're doing is looking like imbeciles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    If a woman protected a man from being shot would you think less of it?
    Must you always be so damn obtuse and contrary to the theme of a thread?

    Gawd Boy, you need to get out of the basement once and a while!
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    If a woman protected a man from being shot would you think less of it?
    I would think more of it because unicorn sightings are so unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    If a woman protected a man from being shot would you think less of it?

    Why would you ask such a dumb question in the first place? Guess you've never seen a woman wearing a military uniform in Afghanistan, or Iraq. Or...how bout Women Police Officers who would WASTE their time...Protecting someone like you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    A quote from women in a video about the California shooting:

    God bless ‘toxic masculinity’ like this: “There were multiple men that got on their knees and pretty much blocked all of us...ready to take a bullet for any single one of us."

    Also very applicable to our military.

    Any feminists/liberals reading this care to comment on how you continually trash men, yet they are (incredibly), still willing to protect us?
    Abbey ... C&W bar.....God bless toxic masculinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    If a woman protected a man from being shot would you think less of it?
    No. Anyone willing to step in front of a bullet for another is extraordinary. However, I for one, am happy to be surrounded by toxic masculinity so I don't have to worry I'm the only one looking out for others.
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    Men protect women because women are more vulnerable, as a whole, and more valuable. It's genetic, innate behaviour stemming from thousands and thousands of years of societal evolution and as a practice represents some of the best characteristics of men and women.

    For men it shows their regard for the importance of their mates; of women. Men shielding women from harm is testament to mens' trust and value and importance placed upon women - it's not because women are weak that Men shield women, its because the man is attempting to allow her to live-on, to care for children; to care for the household. It's an act of ultimate humility and by that, becomes about the most-macho, manly thing a man could do. If a man could do such things because vast swaths of modern western society emasculates men to the point women are sometimes confused and try to do it all...managing societal households AND protecting the sniveling cry-baby man-child.
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    Corollary question: Imagine that we had a modern-day version of the sinking Titanic, with the same exact issues (no help coming in time, limited # lifeboats, etc.
    Would the men still willingly give the women and children the seats on the lifeboats? Not their wives, but women they do not know at all?
    Or would they shove those women aside, and take an “every man for himself” attitude?
    Same goes for a food shortage, or any life and death emergency.
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