Pope Francis Urges Christians to Overcome Fear of Migrants

[darin]

Are you trying to say that GOD DIDN'T KNOW what he was saying when he called homosexuality an ABOMINATION? And are you also saying that GOD is a HOMO?

Darin... c'mooon buddy... this is taking your LOVE bit a little too far...

Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...13&version=KJV

I am saying two things. First, it's impossible to hate people or not-love people AND know God. I'm saying we should be wary of quoting only the scripture that supports our opinion. God took Love far enough to die. How far will you take love for people?

People who do that should have NO problem with abortion because:

Psalm 137:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

People who do that should have NO problem with porn because:

Ezekiel 23:20-21 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

20 She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose semen was like that of horses. 21 So she longed to do the sinful things she did when she was young in Egypt, when young men caressed and fondled her breasts.

People who do that should have NO problem with pre-marital sex because:

See: Every King of Israel who was not married to his concubines, yet were men, some of whom, were men with hearts like God.

People who do that should also do it with the Bible telling us:

"Just as in Adam, all mankind was sentenced to death, in Christ all mankind shall be saved" (1 Corinthians 15:22)

Why do Christians NOT believe that part of the bible, i wonder. Why are we afraid to not-be-afraid? Why do we think "If I am not motivated to Love by Fear, maybe I wont be motivated at all?" Fear = beginning of wisdom. Love = the End.

i've heard it asked "Why do we NOT want to be made in the image of God? Why do we NOT want to forgive like we are forgiven?"

ALL things shall be made new, bro. All things.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I am saying two things. First, it's impossible to hate people or not-love people AND know God. I'm saying we should be wary of quoting only the scripture that supports our opinion. God took Love far enough to die. How far will you take love for people?

People who do that should have NO problem with abortion because:



People who do that should have NO problem with porn because:



People who do that should have NO problem with pre-marital sex because:

See: Every King of Israel who was not married to his concubines, yet were men, some of whom, were men with hearts like God.

People who do that should also do it with the Bible telling us:

"Just as in Adam, all mankind was sentenced to death, in Christ all mankind shall be saved" (1 Corinthians 15:22)

Why do Christians NOT believe that part of the bible, i wonder. Why are we afraid to not-be-afraid? Why do we think "If I am not motivated to Love by Fear, maybe I wont be motivated at all?" Fear = beginning of wisdom. Love = the End.

i've heard it asked "Why do we NOT want to be made in the image of God? Why do we NOT want to forgive like we are forgiven?"

ALL things shall be made new, bro. All things.

Hate the sin, love the sinner...

I think God made it very clear that it is an abomination, and I do believe that if you don't repent your sins, you will go to hell.

The Bible also says that the only way onto heaven is by the Son, to repent, and I don't think I'm wrong when I say most homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin.

One thing about the written word, there certainly is many ways to interpret what you read, and I think most people do.

You're a good guy, brother Darin, but I think we do have some basic differences in what we believe, and that's OK.

[darin]

Hate the sin, love the sinner...

I think God made it very clear that it is an abomination, and I do believe that if you don't repent your sins, you will go to hell.

The Bible also says that the only way onto heaven is by the Son, to repent, and I don't think I'm wrong when I say most homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin.

One thing about the written word, there certainly is many ways to interpret what you read, and I think most people do.

You're a good guy, brother Darin, but I think we do have some basic differences in what we believe, and that's OK.

"hate the sin, love the sinner" is generally a license for christians to be awful. We do not have to hate sin. It's impossible to love somebody when one is so abrasive in their condemnation of behaviour.

So why is it christians do not believe all the bible? Why do christians believe only the parts they agree with? Why don't christians believe people deserve active love regardless of their sin; sin which was blatantly overcome through the cross? Why do christians believe christ/the bible was lying when it talks about christ already emptying hell? Why don't christians believe God's prophecy that we will love other humans as much or in the same way we love ourselves?

doesn't sound very christian.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

"hate the sin, love the sinner" is generally a license for christians to be awful. We do not have to hate sin. It's impossible to love somebody when one is so abrasive in their condemnation of behaviour.

So why is it christians do not believe all the bible? Why do christians believe only the parts they agree with? Why don't christians believe people deserve active love regardless of their sin; sin which was blatantly overcome through the cross? Why do christians believe christ/the bible was lying when it talks about christ already emptying hell? Why don't christians believe God's prophecy that we will love other humans as much or in the same way we love ourselves?

doesn't sound very christian.

Well why does it say that "the path to heaven is narrow, and many won't find it, and that the path to hell is wide, and many will follow it?"

The Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times it's ridiculous. One Bible says things completely different than another.

You can start right out in Genesis and find many different ways to interpret it. For instance the Hebrew word, the original language the Bible was written in, for day is yon, but there isn't any definite description as to how long a day is, it doesn't specify a 24 hour period as we would assume. So the YEC cult believes God created the earth and the heavens in six days, as in a day being 24 hours, and on the seventh he rested, and going on that assumption they calculate the earth is only 6,000 or so years old, when it actuality, as science tells us, that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

So what should be we believe?

[darin]

Well why does it say that "the path to heaven is narrow, and many won't find it, and that the path to hell is wide, and many will follow it?"

The Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times it's ridiculous. One Bible says things completely different than another.

You can start right out in Genesis and find many different ways to interpret it. For instance the Hebrew word, the original language the Bible was written in, for day is yon, but there isn't any definite description as to how long a day is, it doesn't specify a 24 hour period as we would assume. So the YEC cult believes God created the earth and the heavens in six days, as in a day being 24 hours, and on the seventh he rested, and going on that assumption they calculate the earth is only 6,000 or so years old, when it actuality, as science tells us, that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

So what should be we believe?

We should believe Christ when he said "It is finished." When he said "I will make ALL things new" When he said "Just as adam sent mankind to death, I bring life".

The "Path to heaven is narrow" verse doesn't mean people will spend eternity is hell being punished for sometimes stupid shit. It means "only a few will observe, understand, experience the path to living".

What happens when hell and death no longer exist? Where do the souls go? Or was christ telling the truth when he said he would reconcile all men; and all knees will bow knowing God is God?


The idea is - the bible is unclear on a lot of things EXCEPT for christ's call to love people and god as the single most defining heart-condition that determines one's understanding of God.


Learn to love.

[STTAB]

This Pope is a total loser. Seriously

[High_Plains_Drifter]

We should believe Christ when he said "It is finished." When he said "I will make ALL things new" When he said "Just as adam sent mankind to death, I bring life".

The "Path to heaven is narrow" verse doesn't mean people will spend eternity is hell being punished for sometimes stupid shit. It means "only a few will observe, understand, experience the path to living".

What happens when hell and death no longer exist? Where do the souls go? Or was christ telling the truth when he said he would reconcile all men; and all knees will bow knowing God is God?


The idea is - the bible is unclear on a lot of things EXCEPT for christ's call to love people and god as the single most defining heart-condition that determines one's understanding of God.


Learn to love.

We have fundamental differences in belief, Darin, period.

I have as much love in my life as the next person, but I also believe that just love isn't going to get me or anyone else into heaven. Now I know you think different, so whatever. I'm done discussing the Bible with you. I don't believe just getting the last word makes someone right either.

Feel the love.