British Jihadis !!

[Drummond]

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?

OK, Noir, you want to play this game, one of 'there's room for having sympathy with a terrorist supporter and loyal follower, if only you look hard enough' ... ??

I'll start by stating the obvious. What Shamima Begum has done leaves ZERO room for viewing her case any differently.

She sneaked into Syria illegally ... not even using her own passport, as I understand (which says a lot for her deviousness and determination to link up with ISIS in the first place).

She stayed there, not just for days or weeks, or even just a handful of months, but for FOUR YEARS.

In that time, she married a terrorist.

She repeatedly fell pregnant (.. so you could hardly say she didn't do her best to fulfill her 'obligation' as a terrorist wife !).

She's now given birth ... to her son. The name she's given her son is 'Jerah'. The significance of that name is as reported here:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...slamic-warlord

ISLAMIC State bride Shamima Begum has named her newborn son Jerah, which means “one who wounds” and may also be a reference to a savage 7th century warlord who slaughtered non-believers.

Perhaps, Noir, you see this as evidence of her fitness to return back to British society ??

There's her comment about the Manchester bombing, which I've posted about.

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Getting the picture, Noir, OR, are you still seeking a way to evoke sympathy for this PIECE OF TRASH ???

[Noir]

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

Is the IRA trying to take over the world?

That's the intention of ISLAM.

When are you going to display some sort of indication that you have a clue?

Good God, you're the best example of being MENTALLY CRIPPLED by LIBERAL THOUGHT that I've ever seen on a message board.

Have you EVER in your LIFE had a YES or NO answer to ANYTHING? Something you just KNEW was either RIGHT or WRONG. Have you EVER?

What makes a person like you such a SQUEAMISH little worm?

I swear... the topic could be have lunch or DIE and you'd have to THINK ABOUT IT, you'd have to psychoanalyze it.

The most OBVIOUS things seem to ESCAPE you. I can't even get into your brain. I have no idea how someone like you can be so OBLIVIOUS to the OBVIOUS.

[Drummond]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

See post #31 from High Plains Drifter. My response is 'ditto'.

Noir, instead of asking the questions you are, why not debate more freely, telling us what your views are ? You're refraining, thus far, from doing that. Why ?

Is it because you think they can't stand up to scrutiny ?

You might care to start by telling us, clearly and candidly: ARE YOU a terrorist (or terrorist bride) supporter ? If you think, somehow, that there are shades of support or leniency that can ever be deserved to those individuals ... WHY ?

So: if you seriously think the likes of Shamima Begum (or any American equivalent of her, as this thread includes mention of) can deserve support, or a defence of any kind, tell us the basis for your thinking. What do YOU think Shamima Begum deserves to have happen to her ?

Try not to be too offensive in your reply.

[Noir]

See post #31 from High Plains Drifter. My response is 'ditto'.

Noir, instead of asking the questions you are, why not debate more freely, telling us what your views are ? You're refraining, thus far, from doing that. Why ?

Is it because you think they can't stand up to scrutiny ?

You might care to start by telling us, clearly and candidly: ARE YOU a terrorist (or terrorist bride) supporter ? If you think, somehow, that there are shades of support or leniency that can ever be deserved to those individuals ... WHY ?

So: if you seriously think the likes of Shamima Begum (or any American equivalent of her, as this thread includes mention of) can deserve support, or a defence of any kind, tell us the basis for your thinking. What do YOU think Shamima Begum deserves to have happen to her ?

Try not to be too offensive in your reply.

I think it’s pretty clear that she should not be allowed to enter the country, and the decision to remove her citizenship seems sensible.

But I think it’s quite clear that an opinion like that is boring and expected because the case is clear, ergo I find the interest in what could make the case ‘unclear’.

[Drummond]

I think it’s pretty clear that she should not be allowed to enter the country, and the decision to remove her citizenship seems sensible.

You surprise me, Noir. Still ... well done. Glad to see you posting that ...

But I think it’s quite clear that an opinion like that is boring and expected because the case is clear, ergo I find the interest in what could make the case ‘unclear’.

... if also a 'little' less glad to see this qualifying comment of yours !

'Boring', eh ? Well ... that's sad. Perhaps it'd have been more 'exciting' to have our Home Secretary welcome her back with open arms ??

Besides -- you're wrong. This story, in the British media, will rumble on for a long time, I think. Her family have already pledged to fight the Home Secretary's 'deprivation' decision. Appeal after appeal through the courts will no doubt continue for years.

That said ... one report from the BBC suggests that Shamima Begum will use her terrorist husband's Dutch nationality to try and make a case for her adopting his nationality for herself.

Whether or not that'll 'fly' (what would the Dutch think of it ?) ... it says one thing with clarity. She is still allied to, and expecting support from, her TERRORIST husband. Which gives yet more confirmation, if any were needed, of just how correct the decision to cancel her British citizenship really was.

Possibly 'boring' to you, Noir (but that can't be helped) ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...r-shiraz-maher

THE decision to withdraw Shamima Begum’s British citizenship has been branded “racist” by a leading academic.

King’s College London’s Shiraz Maher told BBC Newsnight Home Secretary Sajid Javid had created “a dangerous situation” after it was announced the 19-year-old would not be allowed back into the UK. Ms Begum last week begged to be returned back to the UK after she fled the country to support ISIS in Syria. And now Mr Maher has claimed the authorities should have considered different steps in Ms Begum’s case.

He said: “I think it’s a very dangerous decision, it does create this perception that there is a two-tier system and a system that’s frankly racist.”

Mr Maher argued hundreds of others have travelled to ISIS from the UK but not had their citizenship removed.

He believes it is unfair Ms Begum’s has been removed.

When asked by Newsnight host Kirsty Wark whether it was racist, he replied: “This is blatantly what’s transpiring.

Mentioning Shamima Begum's husband ... further details on him. This is who she's relying on for assistance:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/843173...d-terror-cell/

THE husband of jihadi bride Shamima Begum was linked to an IS terror cell planning *Paris-style attacks, it emerged yesterday.

Dutch Islamist fighter Yago Riedijk, 27, was in regular contact with seven men feared to have targeted a rock festival in the city of Arnhem.

A Dutch anti-terror source said last night: “The chances that Riedijk was not in touch with members of the group planning this bloodbath is nil.

“The British girl is being described as a vulnerable victim but she married an extremely dangerous man who waged jihad at home as well as in Syria.”

Police smashed the Arnhem cell last year as the men were about to launch their attack.

An undercover officer had infiltrated their ranks and supplied them with dummy weapons which failed to fire as police swooped.

Investigators learned of their plot to use car bombs, grenades and AK47 assault rifles at a major event, believed to be a rock festival.

Their plan was to walk among innocent revellers in a line killing everyone in their path with rifles and grenades before detonating a huge car bomb.

Dutch police said Riedijk, who surfaced in Syria in 2016, was one of 29 Muslim men from Arnhem identified as having been radicalised.

[Noir]

'Boring', eh ? Well ... that's sad. Perhaps it'd have been more 'exciting' to have our Home Secretary welcome her back with open arms

No, that is not what I said at all.

[Drummond]

No, that is not what I said at all.

I did say 'perhaps'.

So, what ARE you saying ?

I've asked you to be clear about your views. You haven't yet done much to express them.

What is your view on Islamic terrorism, and those (such as Shamima Begum) who act to support it ? What actions should be taken (if any, in your opinion ?) to crack down on it ? Eradicate it .. ?

To what extent should the conditions leading to the phenomenon of radicalisation be tackled, negated ? Do tell us, Noir. What should be done ? What should NOT be done .. ?