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    Default Tough for her, and the rest of them.

    Anyone, namely, any American; WHO gives up their American citizenship to become an Enemy of America is, and always will be...not only the dumbest, but them most likely to return to being a TRAITOR. If she was young...that's not a good excuse for giving up being an American.
    She made her bed, gave up the most desired, most sought after citizenship in the World, and now...she's sorry?

    Not good enough. All of us, as Americans. Know other Americans who GAVE THEIR LIFE to make it possible for the rest of us to be here...alive, and speaking English. She deserves NOTHING.


    CORRECTION.....SHE'S A BRIT. Still....NO EXCUSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    What is there to study Noir?
    Facts are out there, these girls went over there to join murdering muslim scum. This girl married one of them- got pregnant and now wants to return home(free from any punishment) to raise the brat to be a future muslim terrorists, live off of the freebies the damn Brit government gives these muslim scum- which is all very fine according to Koranic commandments!
    Remember the KORAN instructs it followers to lie to deceive as they murder all that do not accept Allah, instructions given by Mohammad ( otherwise known as , Ali babi the goat humper, child molester and murdering snake).
    Now you have the facts-- go into your little liberal room and study away in order to try to justify giving this female POS a free pass. ..
    When she should be executed on the spot, IMHO. -Tyr
    The way the British Government (.. that's ANY British Government, regardless of what Party has won power) treats Muslim terrorists is indeed very lax and 'liberal', compared to what's deserved.

    But then, it's not entirely their fault. Yes, we've disreputably 'soft' ways of treating that trash, and our people go out of their way to see them in the 'best possible' way that can be contrived. Unfortunately ... if we did take far stronger measures, our tie-in with the EU would likely neutralise those measures. Have a harsh judgment made in a British court (deportation efforts, for example, insisted upon by judgments we'd make) and said terrorist would fight any such decision, going higher and higher in our judicial system until it was circumvented entirely ... by invoking sympathy from the European Court of Human Rights. That court has the power to overrule anything we say ... and there've been cases where they've done it, too.

    This is one of a host of reasons why, Tyr, it's vital that Brexit succeeds, and as fully and completely as possible. Once we're shot of their liberal ways, we can go on to fashion our own justice, as it deserves to exist !
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    Yes. Shamima Begum was fifteen years old when she went to Syria.

    Four years later, she still says she doesn't regret the journey. She says she was old enough to make the decision she did.

    This terrorist wife (!!) tried to express sorrow that innocent civilians get killed (her effort to try and sell herself to us as a normal, 'caring' girl). She then promptly tripped herself up by trying to paint an equivalence of that with Western military actions that also kill people.

    Noir ... wake up to the fact that she still sees things the ISIS way. She wants sympathy (she's said she believes she deserves some !!). But she still holds 'values' in line with ISIS thinking.

    She doesn't deserve to return back to the UK. I say, let her rot where she is .. OR .. let's see her sent to somewhere like Gitmo. More ... if she did return (would you want her to, Noir ??), would she pose a permanent threat to our people ? By her own actions, maybe. By her attempts to radicalise others, also maybe.

    She's an unrepentant enemy, and traitor to her country. NOTHING argues in favour of her return. At least .. not if justice is to be served.
    Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?
    She's saying no such thing. Be properly aware of that, Noir, and learn accordingly.

    But to answer you .. no, on balance, if she had claimed it was a mistake in her view, I doubt such a claim could be believed. She did, after all, marry a terrorist. She made no move in four years to leave Syria, preferring instead to loyally stay with her terrorist husband. Only ISIS's defeat, and her resulting plight, causes her to want to return.

    That, Noir, is very apparent to anybody seeing her situation realistically.

    Noir, a piece of advice ... STOP TRYING to see this terrorist bride in sympathetic terms. Stop being an apologist for her. She is OUR ENEMY.

    I suggest you wake up to that fact. If your Socialist myopia permits it, anyway ....
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    As to the American ISIS nitwit

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    We shouldn’t let the ISIS bride come back to America

    Hoda Muthana, a 24-year-old American woman who left the US to join ISIS five years ago, is really sorry and wants to come home. We shouldn’t let her.

    It should be obvious that when someone takes up arms against their country, they have committed treason and should never be allowed to return. Yet our friends across the pond are proving obvious it isn’t.

    Britain is having a raging debate about whether they should allow back their own homegrown terrorist, Shamima Begum, who ran away to join ISIS four years ago. Begum actually admits she has no regrets about joining the Islamic State and wishes she was strong enough to stick it out. And still the Brits aren’t sure what to do with her! Diane Abbott, Britain’s shadow home secretary, said that sure, they would investigate and maybe prosecute Begum, but ultimately, “We are not in favour of making people stateless, that’s a punishment without due process.” Due process is for crime, not war. Begum understands we’re at war; Abbott does not.

    That debate about whether to allow citizenship to extend to people who want to actually destroy their home country is coming to America.

    Muthana is already laying the groundwork for her “My bad on the whole becoming a terrorist” thing.

    “I believe that America gives second chances,” Muthana told The Guardian in her plea to return. Sorry, but no. Let’s not allow Muthana to use our openness and love of “second chances” against us. There are some things that are unforgivable and joining the enemy to fight your home country is among them.

    In 2015, Muthana urged her fellow Muslims to randomly murder Americans, tweeting, “You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping! Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades…go on drive by’s + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them.”

    For Americans, the fight only sometimes reaches our shores, but it rages without end for many around the world. We can’t allow our comfort to make us naive. ISIS is a civilizational threat and they can wait out any culture that takes a soft approach toward them because it doesn’t understand that. Four short years ago, Americans were Muthana’s “greatest enemy.” Since then, she has married three different Islamic State fighters only to have each die fighting for the cause. Is it possible she’s had a change of heart despite that? Sure.

    Rest - https://nypost.com/2019/02/18/we-sho...ck-to-america/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    It’s certainly an interesting case study in how we should consider such cases.

    No, it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?
    No doubt Noir is following the case of Shamima Begum using much of the media source material that I do ... in which case, he should've just learned of this following development: our Government has announced she's going to be stripped of British citizenship.

    Apparently, as she has 'another country' she is entitled to request citizenship from, the British Government says it can do this without legal impediment.

    More ... here's a further taste of WHY she isn't fit to hold British citizenship ....

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...cide-bomb-isis

    SHAMIMA BEGUM sparked an outcry after she said the Manchester Arena bomb attack, which killed 22 people, was “justified”. The teenage jihadi bride said it was “wrong that innocent people got killed” at the Ariana Grande concert. But she provoked anger by comparing the atrocity to the "women and children" bombed in Islamic State-held Baghuz in Syria.

    Begum said they were "being killed right now unjustly. It's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now and it's kind of retaliation.

    "Like, their [IS] justification was that it was retaliation so I thought 'Okay, that is a fair justification'." It's kind of retaliation."
    This is proof of her continuing sympathy for, and identification with, the ISIS so-called 'cause'.

    I trust that you're making notes, Noir. Sympathy for this terrorist sympathiser and terrorist bride is just wrong-headed. She believes she can make a case for a defence of an act of wholesale terrorist murder.

    No wonder she could never be trusted to return here.
    Last edited by Drummond; 02-19-2019 at 05:59 PM.
    It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    But to answer you .. no
    What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by hjmick View Post
    No, it's not.
    Well, not for all sorts.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?
    OK, Noir, you want to play this game, one of 'there's room for having sympathy with a terrorist supporter and loyal follower, if only you look hard enough' ... ??

    I'll start by stating the obvious. What Shamima Begum has done leaves ZERO room for viewing her case any differently.

    She sneaked into Syria illegally ... not even using her own passport, as I understand (which says a lot for her deviousness and determination to link up with ISIS in the first place).

    She stayed there, not just for days or weeks, or even just a handful of months, but for FOUR YEARS.

    In that time, she married a terrorist.

    She repeatedly fell pregnant (.. so you could hardly say she didn't do her best to fulfill her 'obligation' as a terrorist wife !).

    She's now given birth ... to her son. The name she's given her son is 'Jerah'. The significance of that name is as reported here:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...slamic-warlord

    ISLAMIC State bride Shamima Begum has named her newborn son Jerah, which means “one who wounds” and may also be a reference to a savage 7th century warlord who slaughtered non-believers.
    Perhaps, Noir, you see this as evidence of her fitness to return back to British society ??

    There's her comment about the Manchester bombing, which I've posted about.

    You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

    Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

    Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

    Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

    Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!


    Getting the picture, Noir, OR, are you still seeking a way to evoke sympathy for this PIECE OF TRASH ???
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    Default According to the U.S. Constitution....


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

    Section 3.
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

    (She has confessed in Public to what she did)

    ( verb (used with object)
    Law . to condemn by a sentence or a bill or act of attainder.
    to disgrace.
    Archaic . to accuse.
    Obsolete . to prove the guilt of.
    noun
    Obsolete . a stain; disgrace; taint. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?



    Well, not for all sorts.
    Sheeeezuz... you ignorant little TWIT.

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    LOL LOL LOL

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    NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

    ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

    An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



    "Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

    "In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

    Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    LOL LOL LOL

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    NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

    ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

    An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



    "Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

    "In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

    Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

    Also:

    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...jUS?li=AAggbRN
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907
    Now it's America's turn to do the same thing with other little tart that had to RUN OFF AND JOIN ISIS. I know Pedo Pete would probably like to MARRY HER, but that's another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummond View Post
    You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

    Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

    Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

    Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

    Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!
    Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    LOL LOL LOL

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    NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

    ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

    An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.



    "Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

    "In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

    Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/846359...h-citizenship/

    Also:

    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world...jUS?li=AAggbRN
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907
    She is a non-citizen terrorist, now have her shot.. Send a team over there to execute the ffing traitor.
    And Noir, her being female makes no difference to me, A traitor 's gender makes no difference.
    Shoot her and be done with it- plus serve as an example to others thinking they can do that and later be accepted back home as if they merely took a vacation at some fancy resort.
    Apparently you have no damn clue what being a true citizen is,, methinks..-Tyr
    Last edited by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot; 02-21-2019 at 06:51 AM.
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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