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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    But its LOGICAL when looking at life to assume all creation (for lack of a better word) was designed.

    Evolution means "Luck, random chance, magically, something becomes something else. A swim bladder becomes a lung"

    Design means purpose. No magic.
    I guess we have a different definition of the word magic. If you can't detail this creation process or the creator in detail then it's magic. Evolution does include randomness indeed, more like probability. Just like some people have a probability to grow an extra toe. If two people with an extra toe breed then their children have the chance to have an extra toe. Suddenly you have many with an extra toe. You seem to have trouble with the vastness of time when you make big claims like a swim bladder becomes a lung. This is a process that can take millions even billions of years and there is no designed order to it. Again, I admit, I can't properly debate this, a biologist could and you should seek one out. I bet it would be super interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    I guess we have a different definition of the word magic. If you can't detail this creation process or the creator in detail then it's magic. Evolution does include randomness indeed, more like probability. Just like some people have a probability to grow an extra toe. If two people with an extra toe breed then their children have the chance to have an extra toe. Suddenly you have many with an extra toe. You seem to have trouble with the vastness of time when you make big claims like a swim bladder becomes a lung. This is a process that can take millions even billions of years and there is no designed order to it. Again, I admit, I can't properly debate this, a biologist could and you should seek one out. I bet it would be super interesting.
    Evolutionists always avoid the step of going from non-life to life, I notice. No matter how many things evolutionists let slide with the ridiculousness of mutations and macroevolution, they still don't even try to explain non-life to life. They usually say "amino acids are the building blocks of life" and then mumble and try to change the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    Evolutionists always avoid the step of going from non-life to life, I notice. No matter how many things evolutionists let slide with the ridiculousness of mutations and macroevolution, they still don't even try to explain non-life to life. They usually say "amino acids are the building blocks of life" and then mumble and try to change the subject.
    Evolution theory doesn't seek to explain non-life to life. That is your issue. Not Evolution theory. Evolution only explains the process by which animals change, not how life started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Evolution theory doesn't seek to explain non-life to life. That is your issue. Not Evolution theory. Evolution only explains the process by which animals change, not how life started.
    Well now you've entirely moved the goal posts, because YES, you darwinists surely did tell us that all living things crawled out of the primordial swamp after life magically appeared and then magically arranged itself into complex creatures, also lacking to explain all the plants.

    Now you want to pass off adaptation and mutation as evolution. Well sorry, but that's an even bigger farce than the original fairy tale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Evolution theory doesn't seek to explain non-life to life. That is your issue. Not Evolution theory. Evolution only explains the process by which animals change, not how life started.
    Creationism does explain non-life to life. Evolutionists just believe it was "magic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    Creationism does explain non-life to life. Evolutionists just believe it was "magic".
    "let there be light" is magic, is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    "let there be light" is magic, is it not?
    No, it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    No, it is not.
    Interesting, please explain in detail the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    Evolutionists always avoid the step of going from non-life to life, I notice. No matter how many things evolutionists let slide with the ridiculousness of mutations and macroevolution, they still don't even try to explain non-life to life. They usually say "amino acids are the building blocks of life" and then mumble and try to change the subject.
    Ding Ding Ding! I'm STILL waiting on my explanation for the "Big Bang" theory. Creating something from nothing which defies the same scientific laws the proponents of the theory tout. When your theory is contradicted by your own rules, it tells me you got scrambled eggs for brains and no real clue.

    Tracing all of these theories down always seems to lead to Man's arrogance in the pseudo-science community. Man-made Global Warming. Expanding universe. How can you state the universe is expanding when you don't have a defined center?

    Sure has a lot of boneheads tap dancing to the music and forking over the money.

    The weak hide out withing society and cloak themselves in laws that disenfranchise the strong that built the society. It is their only protection from Darwinism. Left on their own, the weak cannot preserve themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Ding Ding Ding! I'm STILL waiting on my explanation for the "Big Bang" theory. Creating something from nothing which defies the same scientific laws the proponents of the theory tout. When your theory is contradicted by your own rules, it tells me you got scrambled eggs for brains and no real clue.

    Tracing all of these theories down always seems to lead to Man's arrogance in the pseudo-science community. Man-made Global Warming. Expanding universe. How can you state the universe is expanding when you don't have a defined center?

    Sure has a lot of boneheads tap dancing to the music and forking over the money.

    The weak hide out withing society and cloak themselves in laws that disenfranchise the strong that built the society. It is their only protection from Darwinism. Left on their own, the weak cannot preserve themselves.
    evolution is the description of how life changes, I don't know how you confuse that with the big bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    evolution is the description of how life changes, I don't know how you confuse that with the big bang.
    I don't. But you are trying to as a deflection.

    The theory of evolution is an unproven, pseudo-scientific theory. Evolution is change to adapt to environment. Not just life evolves. I won't bother asking if you can see the difference since even if you did (it's 5th grade science) you'd deny it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I don't. But you are trying to as a deflection.

    The theory of evolution is an unproven, pseudo-scientific theory. Evolution is change to adapt to environment. Not just life evolves. I won't bother asking if you can see the difference since even if you did (it's 5th grade science) you'd deny it.
    uh, you're the one talking about the big bang...

    modern medicine is built off evolutionary principles and is not pseudo-science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    uh, you're the one talking about the big bang...

    modern medicine is built off evolutionary principles and is not pseudo-science.
    No, it's not.

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