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    You can cross breed a German Sheppard with a Black Lab and call it "evolution" because now you don't have a German Sheppard or a Black Lab, as though it's evolved into a NEW species, but in all actuality it's nothing more than combining two existing animals.

    In any case...

    A World-Famous Chemist Tells The Truth: There’s No Scientist Alive Today Who Understands Macroevolution


    https://uncommondescent.com/intellig...acroevolution/

    And if there's no macroevolution, then there's no microevolution. One THEORY can't just be SCALED DOWN in hopes that if people won't believe the first big farce, just make it smaller in hopes that they'll buy the new smaller farce... aaaahh... nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Pete, have you opened your mind to Intelligent Design, and consulted with any experts at a local Bible college?
    yup, I spent a lot of time volunteering in a youth group in my early 20s at a Pentecostal church and left after a pastor told me I deserved to be tortured in hell for eternity for having doubts. That is when I left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    No... worthless flu vaccines have nothing to do with farcical evolution... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vacc...ccine-made.htm

    And call it creation, call it SEEDING, call it what you want, but the most logic and intelligent answer as to how life got on this planet, especially man, is that we were PUT HERE. We surely didn't start out as some amoeba in a swamp that no one could explain how it got there, and then magically arrange into highly complex cell structures into a human being. The chances of that happening are statistically ZERO.
    That explains the manufacturing. Flu viruses mutate every year. How do we understand this process?

    Seeding? Sounds like magic, no? Explain the specifics please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    intelligent design as "how did we get here?" relies upon no mysticism; it is based on observation and rational thought. The flu example is bait and switch. nobody denies micro-evolotion or change within species. A flu virus will never become a liver. Nor a spider.
    no mysticism? at some point it's about a creator waving a magic wand. evolution makes no prediction that a flu virus will become a liver or spider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    That explains the manufacturing. Flu viruses mutate every year. How do we understand this process?

    Seeding? Sounds like magic, no? Explain the specifics please.
    You need someone to explain mutation to you?

    What... you don't have SEARCH on your computer?

    CANCER is a MUTATION.

    And you've magically changed from evolution to mutation. You explain that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    no mysticism? at some point it's about a creator waving a magic wand. evolution makes no prediction that a flu virus will become a liver or spider.
    But its LOGICAL when looking at life to assume all creation (for lack of a better word) was designed.

    Evolution means "Luck, random chance, magically, something becomes something else. A swim bladder becomes a lung"

    Design means purpose. No magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    You need someone to explain mutation to you?

    What... you don't have SEARCH on your computer?

    CANCER is a MUTATION.

    And you've magically changed from evolution to mutation. You explain that.
    are you being serious right now? mutation is core to evolution. is is page one of evolution 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    But its LOGICAL when looking at life to assume all creation (for lack of a better word) was designed.

    Evolution means "Luck, random chance, magically, something becomes something else. A swim bladder becomes a lung"

    Design means purpose. No magic.
    I guess we have a different definition of the word magic. If you can't detail this creation process or the creator in detail then it's magic. Evolution does include randomness indeed, more like probability. Just like some people have a probability to grow an extra toe. If two people with an extra toe breed then their children have the chance to have an extra toe. Suddenly you have many with an extra toe. You seem to have trouble with the vastness of time when you make big claims like a swim bladder becomes a lung. This is a process that can take millions even billions of years and there is no designed order to it. Again, I admit, I can't properly debate this, a biologist could and you should seek one out. I bet it would be super interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    are you being serious right now? mutation is core to evolution. is is page one of evolution 101.
    Well, that's part of the farce. Mutation is what happens to things that already exist.

    Evolution is trying to convince people that cells can magically come into being, and then top that off by combining intelligently together by the billions into a huge sensuous creature, times every living thing on earth, which the mathematical probability of happening are ZERO to NONE.

    Big difference, and you can't pass off mutation as evolution either. They're two entirely different things, so using mutation as some sort of evidence for evolution is nothing more than a dishonest intellectual crutch. Mutation always has been just that, mutation, some good, some bad, of EXISTING organisms, just like adaptation, and neither are or ever have been, or have anything to do with evolution.

    The more we know, the more it's blatantly obvious that Darwin's OLD THEORY is just a farce, and the believers of it are increasingly disappearing, no longer afraid to admit it's a joke.

    CREATION, is the most logical explanation for how we got here, everything, all living things, we were PUT here, either by a divine force or extraterrestrial entity, believe what you want, but this planet was SEEDED with us, the animals, the plants, everything. No matter WHO put us here, or when, we were HUMANS when that happened. We NEVER crawled out of a swamp, and the Baboon is what we used to be, that's just stupid thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Well, that's part of the farce. Mutation is what happens to things that already exist.

    Evolution is trying to convince people that cells can magically come into being, and then top that off by combining intelligently together by the billions into a huge sensuous creature, times every living thing on earth, which the mathematical probability of happening are ZERO to NONE.

    Big difference, and you can't pass off mutation as evolution either. They're two entirely different things, so using mutation as some sort of evidence for evolution is nothing more than a dishonest intellectual crutch. Mutation always has been just that, mutation, some good, some bad, of EXISTING organisms, just like adaptation, and neither are or ever have been, or have anything to do with evolution.

    The more we know, the more it's blatantly obvious that Darwin's OLD THEORY is just a farce, and the believers of it are increasingly disappearing, no longer afraid to admit it's a joke.

    CREATION, is the most logical explanation for how we got here, everything, all living things, we were PUT here, either by a divine force or extraterrestrial entity, believe what you want, but this planet was SEEDED with us, the animals, the plants, everything. No matter WHO put us here, or when, we were HUMANS when that happened. We NEVER crawled out of a swamp, and the Baboon is what we used to be, that's just stupid thinking.
    See there is your confusion. Evolution describes the process at which creatures change, not how they first started.

    Mutation is core to Evolution. You are just flat out wrong. Sorry.
    https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evoli...e/mutations_01

    Creation as you just described is the definition of magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    See there is your confusion. Evolution describes the process at which creatures change, not how they first started.

    Mutation is core to Evolution. You are just flat out wrong. Sorry.
    https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evoli...e/mutations_01

    Creation as you just described is the definition of magic.
    Yeah... you can keep your ultra leftist links to your farce about evolution... I wouldn't click on a link to berkeley if you PAID me.

    Evolution is a farce, you believe it, you're an idiot, end of story... sorry.

    There's no magic what so ever about us being put here. There's really no other way to explain existence of all living life on earth, including mankind.

    Get a clue, then get a life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Yeah... you can keep your ultra leftist links to your farce about evolution... I wouldn't click on a link to berkeley if you PAID me.

    Evolution is a farce, you believe it, you're an idiot, end of story... sorry.

    There's no magic what so ever about us being put here. There's really no other way to explain existence of all living life on earth, including mankind.

    Get a clue, then get a life.
    sounds good, have a great day

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    sounds good, have a great day
    I always have a great day... I retired at 52... life is awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    yup, I spent a lot of time volunteering in a youth group in my early 20s at a Pentecostal church and left after a pastor told me I deserved to be tortured in hell for eternity for having doubts. That is when I left.
    He was a jerk, and you should have left. But why let one misguided man let you close your heart and mind to faith in God? You gave him way too much power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darin View Post
    Good to see honest scientists and professionals standing up for common sense and Data and Facts.


    • Genetics—Mutations Cause Harm and Do Not Build Complexity: Darwinian evolution relies on random mutations that are selected by a blind, unguided process of natural selection. This undirected process has no goals. Being random, it tends to harm organisms and does not improve them or build complexity. As biologist Lynn Margulis, a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences until her death in 2011, said: “New mutations don’t create new species; they create offspring that are impaired.”1 Similarly, the past president of the French Academy of Sciences, Pierre-Paul Grasse, contended that “[m]utations have a very limited ‘constructive capacity’” because “[n]o matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution.”2
    • [B]Neo-Darwinian Evolution Has Been and Continues to Be Critiqued by Mainstream Scientists: Everyone agrees that microevolution occurs. But mainstream scientific and academic literature is saturated with skepticism about the neo-Darwinian claim that microevolution offers an adequate basis for justifying macroevolutionary claims.
    Yes, I could not agree more with this excellent summary, especially the parts about mutation and macroevolution.

    A mutation is a genetic abnormality, a mistake. It causes harm, not benefits. There is not a single genetic mutation in history that anyone can point to as an example of added complexity or a beneficial result.

    Macroevolution depends upon beneficial mutations, and mostly to a ridiculous extent. For macroevolution to work, a primitive organism would have to be able to grow new limbs or a new organ in one step via a mutation, since partial limbs or a partial organ would not be an advantage that would make the mutant organism capable of 'survival of the fittest'. In other words, a creature with no arms would have to be able to have an offspring with fully formed arms. Its like a fairy tale.

    Microevolution is just accentuation of good traits, like the fastest gazelle living longer than the slower gazelles because it can outrun predators. Of course that happens. But it doesn't imply that macroevolution occurs.

    Another thing about mutations, by the way. Even if a beneficial mutation occurred, the only way it contributes to macroevolution is if the mutant is so much better than others of its kind that it outlives and outbreeds them all, essentially becoming the father (or mother) of the entire next generation of its species. A ridiculous premise. And even then, this assumes that the mutant can pass along its mutated genes the the entire next generation. Mutant genes in most cases are not even passed on to offspring, let alone passed along to an entire generation.

    Believing in a Creator is actually a lot more logical than believing in evolution, if you give it much thought.
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