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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

    The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
    https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/...tatistics-show

    The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/socia...cial-mobility/
    And do NOT try and convince us that if 20 whites and 20 blacks and 20 hispanics were all caught dealing drugs, that ONLY 2 whites would be arrested while ALL the blacks and hispanics would be arrested. That's just BULL SHIT, and we all know it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    And do NOT try and convince us that if 20 whites and 20 blacks and 20 hispanics were all caught dealing drugs, that ONLY 2 whites would be arrested while ALL the blacks and hispanics would be arrested. That's just BULL SHIT, and we all know it.
    So how do you explain the statistics from the gov agencies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    So how do you explain the statistics from the gov agencies?
    Pete... c'mon man... you're NOT that STUPID... for crying out loud, it's because the BLACKS and HISPANICS are COMMITTING THE CRIMES. For Christ sake, how many times does that have to be repeated before it SINKS IN?

    And ya know what... I think you KNOW that, but you LOVE to play STUPID... why? What's the point in playing as if you DON'T KNOW? Hmmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Pete... c'mon man... you're NOT that STUPID... for crying out loud, it's because the BLACKS and HISPANICS are COMMITTING THE CRIMES. For Christ sake, how many times does that have to be repeated before it SINKS IN?

    And ya know what... I think you KNOW that, but you LOVE to play STUPID... why? What's the point in playing as if you DON'T KNOW? Hmmm?
    Obviously you don't understand the concept of probability.

    "Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely)."

    Do you understand that statement? It has nothing to do with amount of crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Obviously you don't understand the concept of probability.

    "Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely)."

    Do you understand that statement? It has nothing to do with amount of crimes.
    OK... your indoctrination can't be broken though, can it?

    Blacks are far more likely than white to be arrested for selling drugs... because they sell drugs far more often than whites.

    If you have some kind of MENTAL BLOCK against that fact, than you're just lost to the brain washing.

    This is what the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA WING likes to do, they like to IGNORE the fact that blacks ONLY make up about 13% of our population, they say, WHITES DO MORE DRUGS AND SELL MORE DRUGS THAN BLACKS. What they CONVENIENTLY ignore, and what you are CONVENIENTLY ignoring, is the PROPORTION in this equation. SURELY, the number of arrests for whites selling drugs will be HIGHER than blacks, simply because they OUTNUMBER blacks by such a great margin. But when you AVERAGE IT OUT, BLACKS FAR OUTNUMBER whites as far as criminal offenses for DRUG DEALING or even DOING DRUGS.

    Now, I don't know how many times over the years I've had to point that out to you leftists, as if you DIDN'T KNOW, but I KNOW you DO KNOW, but you LOVE to play like you DON'T, and I think you all get some kind of sick little THRILL out of watching the dumb conservative have to go through the motions and EXPLAIN it ONE MORE TIME.


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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    OK... your indoctrination can't be broken though, can it?

    Blacks are far more likely than white to be arrested for selling drugs... because they sell drugs far more often than whites.
    No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
    http://www.hamiltonproject.org/chart...iminal_justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
    http://www.hamiltonproject.org/chart...iminal_justice
    Sorry bud, but ANYONE can throw together a graph, and this one, like the one you recently got banned for 24 hours for posting with no link, this has no link to any empirical truthful data either, not to mention, this opening line says it all, it's a leftist hack site... who the HELL is the fucking HAMILTON PROJECT? Give me a break....

    "The disparate criminal justice experience of black Americans has played an important role in reform discussions."

    The fact of the matter is, there's far more BLACK and HISPANIC CRIMINALS than there are WHITE, even given the disproportionate numbers of less blacks and hispanics than whiltes. They're far more prone to VIOLENCE and EVERYTHING ELSE you want to mention, and you know it.

    You just need to quit kidding yourself, and quit trying to convince people that blacks aren't FAR more VIOLENT and prone to commit CRIME than any other race, so yes, they're GOING TO BE ARRESTED MORE. It's a known FACT, even though if you use GOOGLE to try to find those stats, you'll look forever and probably never find what you're looking for, since google is a far left democrat propaganda wing charter member, they bury it as far back as they possibly can, or just deleted it from a search all together. That's why I rarely use google to search ANYTHING. There's other CONSERVATIVE search engines popping up that WILL give you the STRAIGHT ANSWERS, however UNCOMFORTABLE they are to the LEFT.

    But you're beating another dead horse, Pete. You're trying to defend the indefensible, the obvious, blacks are more violent and far more prone to commit a crime in American than any other race. You tell me why, and then I'll tell you the truth why.

    ====================

    Do black Americans commit more crime?

    Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

    As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

    Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

    In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

    What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

    But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

    This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.

    The verdict
    There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

    While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
    http://www.hamiltonproject.org/chart...iminal_justice
    I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by High_Plains_Drifter View Post
    Sorry bud, but ANYONE can throw together a graph, and this one, like the one you recently got banned for 24 hours for posting with no link, this has no link to any empirical truthful data either, not to mention, this opening line says it all, it's a leftist hack site... who the HELL is the fucking HAMILTON PROJECT? Give me a break....

    "The disparate criminal justice experience of black Americans has played an important role in reform discussions."

    The fact of the matter is, there's far more BLACK and HISPANIC CRIMINALS than there are WHITE, even given the disproportionate numbers of less blacks and hispanics than whiltes. They're far more prone to VIOLENCE and EVERYTHING ELSE you want to mention, and you know it.

    You just need to quit kidding yourself, and quit trying to convince people that blacks aren't FAR more VIOLENT and prone to commit CRIME than any other race, so yes, they're GOING TO BE ARRESTED MORE. It's a known FACT, even though if you use GOOGLE to try to find those stats, you'll look forever and probably never find what you're looking for, since google is a far left democrat propaganda wing charter member, they bury it as far back as they possibly can, or just deleted it from a search all together. That's why I rarely use google to search ANYTHING. There's other CONSERVATIVE search engines popping up that WILL give you the STRAIGHT ANSWERS, however UNCOMFORTABLE they are to the LEFT.

    But you're beating another dead horse, Pete. You're trying to defend the indefensible, the obvious, blacks are more violent and far more prone to commit a crime in American than any other race. You tell me why, and then I'll tell you the truth why.

    ====================

    Do black Americans commit more crime?

    Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

    As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

    Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

    In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

    What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

    But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

    This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.

    The verdict
    There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

    While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
    Petey the typical liberal minded follower deliberately ignores the fact, the truth , the reality that blacks engage in more criminal activities than do whites and are far more prone to using violence!
    Such glaring and truly hypocritical blindness comes in handy when one wants to vilifying whites and promote the modern day slaves of the liberal/socialist dem party.
    People like Pete have no honor and think that clever lying is just fine to gain anything they want and they want dictatorial power!
    If they ever get it in the massive way that they want it, this nation is doomed..
    To gain that power they want illegals allowed in by the millions to vote for them.
    Such is actually treason by any damn standard of what treason is- yet such open treason is heralded and promoted by powerful groups in this nation -in our totally corrupted and heavily infiltrated federal government.
    Either Pete is blind or is a true believer of dem/liberal insanity as enlightenment.
    Either way Pete is a tool, and he and his kind are extremely dangerous to the peace, prosperity, freedoms and security of this nation, IMHO..-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

    The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
    https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/...tatistics-show

    The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/socia...cial-mobility/

    Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


    Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

    And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

    See stats don't mean shit without context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


    Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

    And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

    See stats don't mean shit without context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.
    When I was working with the northwest arkansas drug task force, we got sued because we were arresting more folks in one county than in any other county in our area. "They're targeting us" they cried. They were correct , the vast majority of drug crimes were in that county, so that county was where we concentrated our efforts. NO doubt that it is both true that people in other counties were getting away with crimes because we were concentrated in the bad county and no doubt that some people in the bad county were getting arrested for minor drug posessions that would not have been discovered had we not been focusing so heavily on that county, but law enforcement only has so many resources and so must focus on where they can do the most good. Sometimes that means they miss crimes in other areas.

    ANY big city will for sure have a similar situation and so yes if the majority of the crime is in black areas you are likely to see more blacks arrested simply because thats where the cops are, and they aren't there for their health.

    THAT is the lie of the statistic that even though blacks and whites use drugs at roughly the same rate , blacks are more likely to be arrested for drugs.

    @pete , this really isnt that hard to figure out son. Let's look at it on a micro level. Let's say you have two kids. Now let's say one kid is a good kid, rarely in trouble , good grades , all that, but unkown to you he smokes pot.

    Now, let's say you have another kid, and this kid is always in some sort of trouble . Bad grades, disrespectful, always fighting, Been caught shopfliting, whatever.......

    Now , naturally as a parent you are going to start keeping an eye on the troubled kid more than the good kid, amirite ? Of course I'm right. Now, let's assume you caught the troubled kid smoking weed. What would your response be if your child screamed out "you just hate me, you're ____ist, because your "good" kid smokes weed too and you never caught them, you wanted to bust me for weed"

    Your response would be one of ridicule, because the troubled kid brought their own problems on themselves and was under more scrutiny than the good child because of his/her OWN behavior, not because you were thinking " I like the other kid more, so I'm gonna bust this one, but not the other one"

    And the truly ludicrous thing is, the other people in that county? They wanted us there, they wanted us focusing more on their county than the ones that didn't have a big drug problem. Same thing with blacks who aren't criminals but are stuck living in communities where there are lots of crimes, they WANT the police there. They aren't thinking "damn these cops sure hate niggers" they are thinking "damn these cops hate the criminals in this neighborhood as much as I do"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.
    Again it's not about the total. Do you guys know what "more times likely" means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


    Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

    And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

    See stats don't mean shit without context.
    Somehow you give context but without any stats. hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete311 View Post
    Again it's not about the total. Do you guys know what "more times likely" means?

    Pete , I have went to great lengths in this thread to explain this to you , yet you refuse to even acknowledge the points made. Why should anyone continue the conversation with you? Honest question.

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