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    Default And now they want to toss the electoral college again

    Not surprisingly. Losing in the supreme court? Change the rules and amount. Losing in the electoral college? Get rid of it when it suits you.

    Sorry, dirtbags, it stays. 2 states alone cannot and will not be deciding for the other 48.

    But they're trying this BS in several states already. They're aggressive little buggers after losing to Trump! Freebies for anyone voting for them, no ID necessary & toss the way we've always counted votes.

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    Delaware House Passes Bill to Give State’s Electoral College Votes to National Popular Vote Winner

    The Communists Democrats are waging war on the Electoral College as part of their efforts to erode the US Constitution and ultimately leave federal elections in the hands of the elite coasts, California and New York.

    The Delaware House of Representatives recently passed a bill that would give the state’s Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote.

    The measure passed the Delaware House last week by a vote of 24-17 to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

    John Carney, the Democrat Governor of Delaware has already signaled he would sign the bill once it reaches his desk.

    Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...r-vote-winner/
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    So is this because it's what is best for America? Or is this because they want to avenge Hillary, and build another way to avoid losing?

    Elizabeth Warren Pledges To Get Rid Of The Electoral College

    At a town hall event in Mississippi, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) pledged to avenge her predecessor candidate, Hillary Clinton, and do away with the Electoral College if she is elected President.

    The plan to eliminate the Electoral College has caught fire among Democratic presidential hopefuls, and Warren is just the latest in a line of prospective nominees who want to replace the age-old system of allowing each state a certain number of votes proportional to their size and population with a "national popular vote" that will, of course, favor Democrats.

    Warren, however, may have been the first to announce her plan in a state that would be cut out of the presidential process almost completely were the "national popular vote" system adopted.

    Ironically, CNN reports, Warren announced her plan by suggesting that a national popular vote would make sure all Americans count equally in the process of electing a President.

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    So ridiculous, these people are actually advocating disenfranchise the people of their own state. Democrats are completely illogical.

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    Yup, another one. The butthurt is stronger than ever. The loss of the anointed one and the win of the man that "will never be president" has made them show their true colors and now it's game on for them. Talk about your sore losers!

    If and when things reach the SC, I have a sneaky suspicion that things will go along the way that the right feels about this.

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    Colorado joins effort to elect presidents by popular vote, go around Electoral College

    Colorado has become the latest state — and the first swing state — to join a group pledging to elect presidents based on who wins the national popular vote.

    Eleven other states and the District of Columbia have signed onto the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement that requires those states to select their presidential electors based on who wins the most individual votes nationwide, regardless of which candidate wins in the state.

    Colorado Gov. Jared Polis signed a bill Friday bringing the state into the compact.

    The compact only goes into effect once states with at least 270 electoral votes — the number needed to win a presidential election — have signed on. While the addition of Colorado brings the electoral count of states in the compact to 181, reaching the 270 point before the 2020 election appears unlikely.

    Supporters say the concept would create a fairer basis for presidential elections by essentially going around the Electoral College and creating a system where each individual vote counts the same. It would also motivate potential voters in non-swing states to come out to polls, supporters say.

    Although Colorado has trended more solidly Democratic in recent elections, the state represents the first traditional swing state to join the effort. Every other state in the compact has voted for the Democratic presidential candidates in every election since at least 1992.

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    The first time they try it, that election will be tied up in court for years. After that, the civil war starts....
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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    Thank's Mr. Rubio, to you too!

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    Marco Rubio rebukes Democrats attempt to get rid of the electoral college

    Republican Florida Sen. Marco Rubio rebuked Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other leading presidential contenders who have endorsed abolishing the electoral college.

    In a Tuesday morning tweet storm, the 2016 presidential candidate accused 2020 Democrats of trampling on America’s constitutional norms, arguing that the proposal is politically motivated.

    “The Democrat plan to get rid of the Electoral College has nothing to do with making sure every vote counts,” Rubio said. “It’s about diminishing the electoral power of what liberals arrogantly call the ‘flyover states’ & of Americans they habitually disrespect as uneducated & backwards.”





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    Hilarious that they claim that this would make every person's vote worth the same when in fact it would do the exact opposite and make the votes of people from small states worth much less than the votes of people from populous states. Jim's vote would be worth far more than mine , for example.

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    Brace for the (Leftist) Meltdown When Trump Gets Reelected.........We need to start planning for 2020!

    `They’ve got it in their heads that they’ve already won 2020. You can see it in their media, you can hear it in the Democrats.

    It’s just a matter of time. Just like 2016 was.

    ....Just a matter of the calendar falling and the dates coming and the election happening. And because they’ve got themselves convinced that everybody in the country hates Trump as much and like they do.

    And they create these little fantasy universes in which they live, and they operate day in and day out in those fantasies....
    Because of the psychological circumstances they are creating for themselves now, that 2016 was a fluke, an aberration, Trump cheated, it was a fraud, Hillary should have been elected just like George W. Bush cheated to win in 2000. It’s not gonna be pretty.`

    **We’re not hearing about massive riots still going on in France, the yellow vest riots, on a daily basis. They are protesting what? High taxes on gasoline.

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    There’s no reporting on that. No reporting whatsoever on the high elected officials in Virginia who support baby killing and abusing women — the governor, lieutenant governor.

    That story has been completely buried. It has gone away. The massive, great approval rating the new governor of Florida has? That is being ignored.












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    Default Let them try......AGAIN, AND AGAIN.....

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.12b5ef29e9c7
    Those Darned Democrats keep forgetting.....THE CONSTITUTION is still in effect....even if they Don't Like It.

    The electoral college, after all, is enshrined in our Constitution, which means getting rid of it requires a constitutional amendment. That's a two-thirds vote in both the House and the Senate and the ratification of three-fourths (38) of the 50 states.

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    How did we get the Electoral College?

    The founding fathers established the Electoral College in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. However, the term “electoral college” does not appear in the Constitution. Article II of the Constitution and the 12th Amendment refer to “electors,” but not to the “electoral college.”

    Since the Electoral College process is part of the original design of the U.S. Constitution it would be necessary to pass a Constitutional amendment to change this system.

    Note that the 12th Amendment, the expansion of voting rights, and the use of the popular vote in the States as the vehicle for selecting electors has substantially changed the process.

    Many different proposals to alter the Presidential election process have been offered over the years, such as direct nation-wide election by the People, but none have been passed by Congress and sent to the States for ratification as a Constitutional amendment. Under the most common method for amending the Constitution, an amendment must be proposed by a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress and ratified by three-fourths of the States.
    What proposals have been made to change the Electoral College system?

    Reference sources indicate that over the past 200 years, over 700 proposals have been introduced in Congress to reform or eliminate the Electoral College. There have been more proposals for Constitutional amendments on changing the Electoral College than on any other subject. The American Bar Association has criticized the Electoral College as “archaic” and “ambiguous” and its polling showed 69 percent of lawyers favored abolishing it in 1987. But surveys of political scientists have supported continuation of the Electoral College. Public opinion polls have shown Americans favored abolishing it by majorities of 58 percent in 1967; 81 percent in 1968; and 75 percent in 1981.

    Opinions on the viability of the Electoral College system may be affected by attitudes toward third parties. Third parties have not fared well in the Electoral College system. Candidates with regional appeal such as Governor Thurmond in 1948 and Governor Wallace in 1968, won blocs of electoral votes in the South. Neither come close to seriously challenging the major party winner, but they may have affected the overall outcome of the election.

    The last third party, or splinter party, candidate to make a strong showing was Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 (Progressive, also known as the Bull Moose Party). He finished a distant second in Electoral and popular votes (taking 88 of the 266 electoral votes needed to win at the time). Although Ross Perot won 19 percent of the popular vote nationwide in 1992, he did not win any Electoral votes since he was not particularly strong in any one state. Any candidate who wins a majority or plurality of the popular vote nationwide has a good chance of winning in the Electoral College, but there are no guarantees (see the results of 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016 elections).
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    And he's 100% right.

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    Donald Trump: Without the Electoral College, Big Cities Would Run the Country

    President Donald Trump defended the concept of the presidential electoral college on Wednesday, arguing that it was a better way to balance power.

    “With the Popular Vote, you go to just the large States – the Cities would end up running the Country,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Smaller States & the entire Midwest would end up losing all power – and we can’t let that happen.”

    Democrats running for president in 2020 have argued that the electoral college should be abolished after key midwest states supported Trump for president, allowing him to beat Hillary Clinton, despite Clinton winning the popular vote.

    “The brilliance of the Electoral College is that you must go to many States to win,” Trump wrote after he campaigned heavily in traditionally Democrat states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania in 2016.

    Trump said his campaign would be different if he was running for president to win the popular vote, admitting that he used to like the idea of winning by a popular vote.

    “Campaigning for the Popular Vote is much easier and different than campaigning for the Electoral College,” he wrote. “It’s like training for the 100 yard dash vs. a marathon.”

    Trump mocked Democrats for their “strange” proposals to change the rules of elections and politics so that it was easier to win.

    “They now want to change the voting age to 16, abolish the Electoral College, and Increase significantly the number of Supreme Court Justices,” he wrote. “Actually, you’ve got to win it at the Ballot Box!”

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    Yup, it really is this easy to explain and understand - but the left will stick their fingers in their ears and blab on. No way those tiny few areas should vote for the rest of the nation/gray.

    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Hilarious that they claim that this would make every person's vote worth the same when in fact it would do the exact opposite and make the votes of people from small states worth much less than the votes of people from populous states. Jim's vote would be worth far more than mine , for example.
    Under the current system what is the current disparity of worth between your vote and Jim’s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Under the current system what is the current disparity of worth between your vote and Jim’s?
    I don't believe there is a disparity currently, IMO. I think the electoral college is perfect, and is also genius.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    I don't believe there is a disparity currently, IMO. I think the electoral college is perfect, and is also genius.
    I’m pretty sure (as a matter of intuition) every large voting system has a disparity of one kind or another.
    If you also agree that an animals suffering should be avoided rather than encouraged, consider what steps you can take.

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