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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    You can’t admit to a crime that doesn’t exist :/
    If government ordered every American citizen to give up any guns they--OWNED- , then that government had already turned into a dictatorship and nullified not only our Constitution but the very rights we as Americans have died by the millions defending- since our Revolution that founded this nation.
    The Bill of Rights is not something that can be tossed aside and nullified by the dem party and its blinded sheep that follow it.
    Too many Americans still live for that to happen and nobody step up to stop it.
    So your little attempt at a gotcha query is just that, spoken by BLINDED LIBERAL FOOL, IMHO.
    Male liberals are not true men, they are childish , ignorant and most often cowardly ffing little whimpering cretins, IMHO.--Tyr
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    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    If the politicians in this nation made owning a gun illegal. They would be violating our 2nd Amendment.

    Asking Hypothetical questions here are merely driven by ignorance, and hatred for LAWS some would like reversed.
    The constitution can be amended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So if it came to pass that owning a gun was made illegal, and that guns in private ownership were to be handed in. Would you hand yours in, or keep it illegally?
    I'll answer .

    If the government attempted to force me to "hand in my guns" they would get them.

    Bullets first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I'll answer .

    If the government attempted to force me to "hand in my guns" they would get them.

    Bullets first.
    So the policeman comes to your home with a warrant for your guns, and you kill them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So the policeman comes to your home with a warrant for your guns, and you kill them?
    No longer have them, sold at a show, sold privately, lost them, was robbed... and good luck finding them, you'll need a helluva lot more than a warrant. Suffice to say, they will never go anywhere. It really is that simple. And if THEY were ever to try and use force to take away the guns of the unwilling and THEY decide to make that first move - whoever THEY are will be highly outnumbered by those in support of the 2nd.

    Police can't do jack shit if you lost your guns and they can't prove otherwise.

    Not sure what is hard for you to understand here. Folks aren't going to voluntarily give up their rights and guns. YOU right away want to attach that to mean those in support of the 2nd will then kill people. NO. We will keep our guns and our rights. Ask those taking rights away if THEY will kill over them, THAT is the real question. If they won't, then we know how it ends with all of the guns still out there and rights protected and won. If they decide to use force and shoot to somehow take guns away - well, then I'm confident that many won't relinquish them, and will protect their homes, families, liberties and rights.

    Sorry, doesn't make us killers. But I wonder why others want to murder us simply for wanting to keep guns for protection. Odd that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    No longer have them, sold at a show, sold privately, lost them, was robbed... and good luck finding them, you'll need a helluva lot more than a warrant. Suffice to say, they will never go anywhere. It really is that simple. And if THEY were ever to try and use force to take away the guns of the unwilling and THEY decide to make that first move - whoever THEY are will be highly outnumbered by those in support of the 2nd.

    Police can't do jack shit if you lost your guns and they can't prove otherwise.

    Not sure what is hard for you to understand here. Folks aren't going to voluntarily give up their rights and guns. YOU right away want to attach that to mean those in support of the 2nd will then kill people. NO. We will keep our guns and our rights. Ask those taking rights away if THEY will kill over them, THAT is the real question. If they won't, then we know how it ends with all of the guns still out there and rights protected and won. If they decide to use force and shoot to somehow take guns away - well, then I'm confident that many won't relinquish them, and will protect their homes, families, liberties and rights.

    Sorry, doesn't make us killers. But I wonder why others want to murder us simply for wanting to keep guns for protection. Odd that.
    Fair enough, you seem more intent on lying to keep your illegal weapon, rather than STTABs declaration of “bullets first”
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    My brothers and sisters who have vowed to uphold and defend the constitution, against even domestic enemies are my family. To those who would alter the plan drawn up in our Constitution? I'd have one thing to say



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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Fair enough, you seem more intent on lying to keep your illegal weapon, rather than STTABs declaration of “bullets first”
    I prefer to see it as a political ploy and illegal of them to grab guns.

    If set to a national vote, no way the 2nd is ever in trouble. But the left would do anything in the power outside of the COTUS as well, and that's been proven time and time again.

    So "illegal weapon" - since you're so intent on labeling folks here depending on their answers to your loaded questions? So be it, I would happily be a criminal in that case. But it won't happen and if it ever did it would be an illegal unconstitutional grab. And yeah, you just keep wet dreaming about an amendment to change that. It won't happen from the right in office and sure as hell won't come from the right in public and sure as hell won't come from the gun owners of those 400 million guns. And even tons on the left have guns. While many of those fruits will happily allow it to happen, I'm betting even many don't though.

    You want and are looking to ask questions to get folks here to give you answers as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    So the policeman comes to your home with a warrant for your guns, and you kill them?
    You are so ignorant. Have you fixed Ireland yet?
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    The constitution can be amended.
    Tell us that know the Law and Document how that is done?

    You have not got a clue.
    I have lost my mind. If found, please give it a snack and return it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    You are so ignorant. Have you fixed Ireland yet?
    I don’t live in Ireland.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Tell us that know the Law and Document how that is done?

    You have not got a clue.
    Well it’s been a decade since I studied the American Constitution but I still have my (heavily noted) copy to hand, so I had to go all the way downstairs to pluck it off the shelf - if you do the same with your own I would direct you to ‘Article V’
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Well it’s been a decade since I studied the American Constitution but I still have my (heavily noted) copy to hand, so I had to go all the way downstairs to pluck it off the shelf - if you do the same with your own I would direct you to ‘Article V’
    First off, again, good luck with that. There's a damn good reason that you see "amendments" as often as you do, which is closer to never than often. Two thirds on this issue, or amending things in general, isn't easy to achieve. Well, not that it's not easy, it's much harder than that. And more involved of course.

    Secondly, many of us as Americans don't but rarely have to refer to a study guide, or past test, or the COTUS itself, we know it and breath it. But yeah, sometimes referenced. But I hardly need to pickup a guide to read/know what the 5th entails, or the 1st, 2nd.... Not mocking, just pointing out that the "document" is much more than that to Americans, and even much more than that to folks on the right as opposed to those on the left.

    Point is, pointing to the 5th stating as if "hey, it can just easily be amended" or to imply such, doesn't mean much. Can I see regulations like further types of background checks and things prior to a purchase? Absolutely. They will push for all kinds of regulations and I believe some of them will go through eventually. Can I see them completely banning and taking guns away? Nope, just won't happen, not even a valid scenario even though we entertain debates of course.
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    At no point have I said constitutional amendments are easy, or that a change is likely etc, I simply stated that they were possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    At no point have I said constitutional amendments are easy, or that a change is likely etc, I simply stated that they were possible.
    Of course anything is possible. In this case, just very very improbable. It truly would be an ugly scene, as Americans aren't fond on relinquishing their rights, especially if it were political BS that made no sense and left us unprotected.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Noir is correct in that the Constitution can be amended. However, the process is not easy nor was it intended to be. Once does not alter our form of government capriciously else we would soon no longer be a Democratic Republic. He is also somewhat correct when he implies that many citizens would comply if it were made illegal to own firearms. Law abiding folk tend to abide by the law regardless of how onerous it may be. Then again, Americans tend to resort to armed rebellion on occasion (much to King George's dismay) so confiscation of the citizens' fire arms may not be easy either.
    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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