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    Default Camping Company CEO Risks Jail For Flying U.S. Flag Over Store

    What is their reasoning for not allowing a large flag? If it's because the paperwork had a smaller size - why not edit it? Going to jail someone over that amount? And over our flag?

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    Camping Company CEO Risks Jail For Flying U.S. Flag Over Store

    Marcus Lemonis is prepared to go to jail over an American flag his company is flying over one of his stores.

    "We have flown this flag for a long time," Lemonis said. "As I told the city…it's not coming down under any circumstance."

    Lemonis is chief operating officer of Gander RV. He's been flying a huge flag -- 40 feet by 80 feet, or 3,200 square feet, the size of a fairly large house -- over a store in Statesville, N.C.

    But city officials say the flag is too big. They filed a lawsuit May 7 against Holiday Kamper Co. -– which is the parent company of the store formerly known as Camping World. If Lemonis doesn't take action within 30 days, he could be jailed.

    Statesville City Attorney Leah Messick said in the filing that the company applied for a permit to fly a 40 foot by 25 foot flag but instead raised the bigger one. "In June, 2018, Gander RV (formerly known as Camping World) filed an application with the Statesville Planning Department to display a 40x25-foot flag on its property. The permit was approved, but when the flag was raised two months later, it was determined the company was flying a 40x80-foot flag, which is prohibited by City ordinance," the filing says.

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    Sorry, but if you got a permit to fly a certain size flag and then put up a bigger one that you didn't have a permit for I don't really care that it is a US flag we are talking about.

    City ordinances exist for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Sorry, but if you got a permit to fly a certain size flag and then put up a bigger one that you didn't have a permit for I don't really care that it is a US flag we are talking about.


    City ordinances exist for a reason.
    That's why I think they need to edit, and pay any difference in fee if necessary. But no change allowed and jail instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's why I think they need to edit, and pay any difference in fee if necessary. But no change allowed and jail instead?
    I have to agree with STABB, the permit was for an acceptable size and the company decided to go larger. The permit is an agreement-the city has the right to whatever penalties they have. If it's ok to break it for a flag, then it's ok to break other permits too.

    England lost a lot of colonies by benign neglect regarding laws. Wait too long and the 'subjects' believe they are not enforceable.

    If they don't like the local ordinances, they are free to move somewhere else, more to their liking. That is the price the local government pays for their rules.

    Much like hoa's, many folks don't want to live there, but if you DO, then it's up to you to follow the rules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
    That's why I think they need to edit, and pay any difference in fee if necessary. But no change allowed and jail instead?
    I'm not sure I agree with jail, BUT this owner has made it clear, he isn't taking the flag down.

    Jail would probably be more effective at changing his tune than fines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I have to agree with STABB, the permit was for an acceptable size and the company decided to go larger. The permit is an agreement-the city has the right to whatever penalties they have. If it's ok to break it for a flag, then it's ok to break other permits too.

    England lost a lot of colonies by benign neglect regarding laws. Wait too long and the 'subjects' believe they are not enforceable.

    If they don't like the local ordinances, they are free to move somewhere else, more to their liking. That is the price the local government pays for their rules.

    Much like hoa's, many folks don't want to live there, but if you DO, then it's up to you to follow the rules.
    Agreed with all of that - hence me stating I think it's best to re-do the permit and apply for one not that larger. It doesn't state city limitations, just that they need approval. And yeps, he IS wrong, no doubt. But the best resolution for all is to re-apply for the proper height, and work towards that manner, instead of jailing someone over it. If the guy refuses to re-apply and/or pay more for a larger approval, and also refuses to take it down, then he's 100% wrong. But it reads to me that he applied for the wrong size that was approved - not that the city has an official ordinance of a specific size limitation. If the former is the case - that's why I would say to fix things all around. IF it's something written in code, then he's again wrong. But I wouldn't see why one would need to 'apply' for a permit if it was written in ordinance. So perhaps more info is needed? I dunno, maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with jail, BUT this owner has made it clear, he isn't taking the flag down.

    Jail would probably be more effective at changing his tune than fines.
    Or perhaps he should re-apply for the larger flag, or get a flag custom made to the approved dimensions. I applaud his stance, but depends on a few factors, IMO. But if he purposely hid a larger size, then he's wrong. If he's just being obtuse, he's wrong. If it's refusal all the way around, then he's wrong there too. If not, and they 'can' approve a larger one, then go that route and pay the fines happily. If resolvable, go that route instead of jailing someone over a flag. But if the local ordinance states nothing larger than 40'25, then he's wrong there too. If not, simply re-apply.
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    He's 100% wrong according to this article, that states the ordinance DOES in fact have a specific size. So he's guilty as charged. Apparently he was even denied, and did so anyway?

    But even some there admit that things are "antiquated" there. So he should pay up and resize. AND maybe fight to have this ordinance changed, as some in the council may now agree, or more. But that doesn't make his actions correct.

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    Statesville Council reviews ordinance restricting flag size, takes no action

    The Statesville City Council on Monday heard a presentation about the possibility of amending city ordinances to allow businesses to fly larger American flags than are currently allowed.

    During their annual retreat, Statesville’s Planning Director David Currier reviewed the current ordinances. The presentation was the result of a request by Councilmen John Staford.

    “I think we could open our sign ordinance up,” Currier told the council, explaining that restrictions could be eased in areas other than those just pertaining to flags.

    These areas included: the change of ordinances on monument signs, modifications for wall signs, allowances for temporary signs, and open interpretation to billboards regulations.

    City Council was open to reviewing changes in the sign ordinance, but did not take any action during Monday’s annual retreat.

    Staford first brought up the restriction on flags as a result of a denial of a 2014 request by Camping World of Statesville to fly a 40-foot-by-80-foot flag (3,200 square feet) atop a 130-foot-tall pole.

    Statesville’s current ordinance sets a maximum height of flag poles at 40 feet and limits the flag size to 8-feet-by-12-feet (96 square feet). Camping World’s request involved a 90-foot height difference and a 3,104-square-foot flag material difference.

    During Monday’s meeting, Currier acknowledged that Statesville’s current flag ordinance is “probably antiquated” and could be given some review.

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    This a tough one.

    I am totally against prohibiting an American Flag.

    However, if he is in violation of an agreed-upon ordinance, then he should comply -
    especially if it is within city limits.
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    Weird ya need a PERMIT to fly an American flag, in America... no matter what size it is.

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    Default How sad this crazy nation is becoming?

    WHY, in the United States of America....does anyone even need to consider being able to fly the flag?

    We have cheapened our standards too far, considering somebody had the snowflake emotions that required permission to even fly the flag.

    It's even more saddening, and downright stupid that WE HAVE TO BE TALKING ABOUT SUCH THINGS, for any reason.

    Imagine soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen/women coming home from duty, and being told YOU MUST GET PERMISSION TO SALUTE YOUR OWN FLAG???


    I hope others are as sick of this CRAP as I am, and I hope that CEO has a great lawyer...as he sits in a cell waiting for SOCIALISTS to rescue him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icansayit View Post
    WHY, in the United States of America....does anyone even need to consider being able to fly the flag?

    We have cheapened our standards too far, considering somebody had the snowflake emotions that required permission to even fly the flag.

    It's even more saddening, and downright stupid that WE HAVE TO BE TALKING ABOUT SUCH THINGS, for any reason.

    Imagine soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen/women coming home from duty, and being told YOU MUST GET PERMISSION TO SALUTE YOUR OWN FLAG???


    I hope others are as sick of this CRAP as I am, and I hope that CEO has a great lawyer...as he sits in a cell waiting for SOCIALISTS to rescue him.
    Because you would have an entirely different opinion if someone were flying a 40' x 20' ISIS flag sir. This is the point, one must have PRINCIPLES that hold up for all situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Because you would have an entirely different opinion if someone were flying a 40' x 20' ISIS flag sir. This is the point, one must have PRINCIPLES that hold up for all situations.

    I Live in the United States of America. Our national Flag is the representation of our Nation, to which I, and you have served.

    There should be no question, in any True, Honorable, American about that flag FLYING in the United States of America.

    And HELL YES....I would have a different outlook, and opinion if someone was permitted to fly an ISIS flag in this nation. It goes beyond Freedom Of Speech IMO, and more so, goes to common sense, civility, and being intelligent enough to know how flying any other flag...in the USA, goes against the Honor, Freedom, and Liberty ALL AMERICANS should feel, instead of trying to test the feelings, or harm common sense just for the HELL OF IT, and because THEY CAN.

    Our Enemies easily USE our Constitution, and Laws against us as Americans. Personally. That is a slap in the face of EVERY AMERICAN.
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    Communities have the right to set standards for building heights, locations, etc. If one doesn't like the restrictions or feels the municipality has too many restrictions, go elsewhere. A huge flag flying on the side of the interstate is not an uncommon site, one sees them all the time for fireworks companies. However, that same flag flown on a suburban street may be considered less than optimal.

    IMO, ordinances regarding such should be limited to 'your right to enjoy should be protected, up to the point where it interferes or restricts others rights to enjoy their property.'

    I've seen American flags that are so large that they are distracting to drivers, usually over car sales lots. I don't think that patriotism is the main reason, attention grabbing is.

    There are many levels of ordinance restrictions within the US, many that are ridiculously, (IMO), controlling; others that are so lax that there is no coherence in where businesses and residences separate. HOAs to me are the most restrictive from what I've read and seen. When they pass 'no flags' or similar amendments I feel they should be taken to court over free speech. OTOH, I agree that a municipality has the right to set standards through permits and citizens have to abide by those limitations. Otherwise move to another location.

    It's not just about the flag, it's also about community.


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    Update...town might be backing down:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-car...ag-rule-change
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    Default Yes they do Kathianne....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Communities have the right to set standards for building heights, locations, etc. If one doesn't like the restrictions or feels the municipality has too many restrictions, go elsewhere. A huge flag flying on the side of the interstate is not an uncommon site, one sees them all the time for fireworks companies. However, that same flag flown on a suburban street may be considered less than optimal.

    IMO, ordinances regarding such should be limited to 'your right to enjoy should be protected, up to the point where it interferes or restricts others rights to enjoy their property.'

    I've seen American flags that are so large that they are distracting to drivers, usually over car sales lots. I don't think that patriotism is the main reason, attention grabbing is.

    There are many levels of ordinance restrictions within the US, many that are ridiculously, (IMO), controlling; others that are so lax that there is no coherence in where businesses and residences separate. HOAs to me are the most restrictive from what I've read and seen. When they pass 'no flags' or similar amendments I feel they should be taken to court over free speech. OTOH, I agree that a municipality has the right to set standards through permits and citizens have to abide by those limitations. Otherwise move to another location.

    It's not just about the flag, it's also about community.
    However....as an American First, and as an American Citizen, and as an American Retired, U.S.Navy Veteran who pledged my life to this NATION, represented by the AMERICAN FLAG everyone seems to be trying to HIDE, or Prevent from waving.

    As long as we live in this nation. Anyone who is so unsatisfied, disturbed, or insulted by the STARS & STRIPES flying in THIS NATION....Needs to find another place to live, or give up their citizenship HERE, and do as the Hollywood ELITES claim to do....and simply "LEAVE".

    I gave 30 years of my life, with my family, saluting that flag every day. Anyone who dares tell me I CANNOT FLY IT...will need to take me to court.
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