UK’s Johnson Would Meet Trump To Negotiate Trade Deal After Becoming Prime Minister:

[Gunny]

July 14, 2019
(Reuters) – Boris Johnson, the frontrunner to become Britain’s next prime minister would want to meet U.S. President Donald Trump within the first two months of becoming prime minister to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal, the Times newspaper reported on Sunday citing an ally of the former London mayor.
“The key to the whole thing is the US. If we get a trade deal with America we will be very quickly in the market for other deals. It encourages others to realize that we mean business,” the newspaper quoted Johnson’s ally as saying.
The former foreign secretary is ready to travel to the United States as soon as possible if he becomes the prime minister to secure a limited agreement before the Brexit deadline of Oct. 31, the paper said.

https://www.oann.com/uks-johnson-wou...ter-the-times/

Looks like someone in the UK has a plan to escape European bondage

[Noir]

Which means he is not expecting the U.K. to be trading under WTO terms?

[Gunny]

Which means he is not expecting the U.K. to be trading under WTO terms?

Unfortunately for you, but not me, you'll have to wait for Drummond to explain the particulars. I don't pretend to understand the UK Government. It's a bigger mess than the US government.

I DO know a bad deal when I see one though. There's also the fact that socialism has never ended up in anything but failure. If Johnson's got a plan to dump Europe and the US can facilitate him in any way, I am all for it.

I can't understand people who aspire to be mediocre.

[Drummond]

Which means he is not expecting the U.K. to be trading under WTO terms?

As is true of many of your posts, Noir, I'm not following you.

People, here, no doubt (as a result of propaganda telling them so) expect the world to come crashing down around our ears, the moment Brexit is finally a reality.

This is, of course, crap.

If we leave without a deal, then WTO rules take over. We'll not get preferential trade perks that we had a right to experience, with the EU, as members of it. BUT, trade will continue ... perhaps not quite as lucratively as before, but, it will.

That's not to say that Member States' bureaucracies won't try to make life difficult, out of sheer spite. No doubt ports such as Calais will contrive some difficulties for us. [But then, what else could we expect of the French, eh ?]

Now ... why shouldn't we replace such newly-troublesome markets with those from friendlier powers, powers able to appreciate that the UK has a right to its own self-determination ?? Eh, Noir ? H'mm .. ??

Thanks to the enlightened policies and attitude of one Donald Trump, Noir, we have the hope of a new, highly prosperous, trading dawn. Exactly how prosperous, we've yet to find out. We shall, though, of course.

We'll do so by throwing off the EU's control-freaking shackles. Yes ... we'll be newly-empowered to do OUR deals, in OUR way !! How they're shaped, just how lucrative they'll be, WE will help control.

That has yet to be determined in detail.

You hate that prospect, don't you, Noir ? Tell me I'm wrong, if you can.

[Noir]

We'll do so by throwing off the EU's control-freaking shackles. Yes ... we'll be newly-empowered to do OUR deals, in OUR way !! How they're shaped, just how lucrative they'll be, WE will help control.

That has yet to be determined in detail.

No. We will be able to make deals under the regulations determined by the WTO.

Im sure you seen (at least clips) of Johnson’s car-crash interview with Neil when he tried to spout the same nonsense that’s in your post, no?

[Drummond]

No. We will be able to make deals under the regulations determined by the WTO.

Im sure you seen (at least clips) of Johnson’s car-crash interview with Neil when he tried to spout the same nonsense that’s in your post, no?

Not only did I see the interview with Andrew Neil, but I have it recorded. I may watch it again.

How was it a 'car crash' .. ?

If I remember correctly, the moment you're referring to was where Boris was being asked a question on Article 24, and Boris showed himself to be well versed on Paragraph 5b ... but not about 5c, which he had to admit he was unfamiliar with.

As to 'car crash' territory .. your bias is showing. It was nothing like as bad as you'd like to paint it (or, as bad as Neil tried to, showing his typical BBC bias). You'll recall that Boris also pulled Neil up on not even being clear about the difference between an Article and a paragraph .. ?

Perhaps you 'forgot' that little detail until now ?

Yes, I think I'll watch it again and refresh my memory. I think you're making more of this than is deserved ...

[Drummond]

Not only did I see the interview with Andrew Neil, but I have it recorded. I may watch it again.

How was it a 'car crash' .. ?

If I remember correctly, the moment you're referring to was where Boris was being asked a question on Article 24, and Boris showed himself to be well versed on Paragraph 5b ... but not about 5c, which he had to admit he was unfamiliar with.

As to 'car crash' territory .. your bias is showing. It was nothing like as bad as you'd like to paint it (or, as bad as Neil tried to, showing his typical BBC bias). You'll recall that Boris also pulled Neil up on not even being clear about the difference between an Article and a paragraph .. ?

Perhaps you 'forgot' that little detail until now ?

Yes, I think I'll watch it again and refresh my memory. I think you're making more of this than is deserved ...

Ok, I've refreshed my memory.

Despite Neil's best efforts, Boris gave a good account of himself. Neil obviously wanted that 'car crash' moment, worked to create it, from a VERY aggressive interview .. but tripped himself up, every bit as he tried to trip Boris Johnson up.

So, to a little detail.

If we trade under straightforward WTO rules, it'll be as a result of Brexit having already happened, in conditions where no 'mitigating' trade conditions existed, as part of any agreed deal.

The point of Gatt 24, much less paragraph 5b, however, would be to negotiate with the goal in mind to reach a special accommodation with the WTO. Paragraph 5b is concerned with scope to continue trading, tariff-free, with the EU, for up to 10 years, following our EU exit. This is something YET to be agreed, if in fact it will be.

Boris is Boris; ever the optimist !! He confounds the BBC's 'doom & gloom' negativity with it.

See this:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-...t-help-brexit/

Gatt is an abbreviation for the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which came into being after the Second World War. Basically, it is a legal agreement that forms the basis for the trade in goods around the world today.

Gatt 24 is a piece of World Trade Organization law that allows tariff-free trade for up to 10 years while a permanent trade agreement is negotiated.

It applies to goods only - it has no effect on the trade in services or on issues such as regulations and standards.

Gatt 24 has been applied to interim agreements on rare occasions since the WTO was established in 1995, but never for anything as complex at the EU-UK relationship.

Maybe all this explains why the BBC repeatedly single out Boris for their most combative treatment ? Boris thinks he can make progress by invoking that Article's terms, and getting it done 'n' dusted as a 'done deal'. Hopefully he's right.

If he's right .. it counters all of the negativity the BBC delights in disseminating, claiming we're in for very dire times the moment we're out of the EU.

So, Noir, you stick with the fiction that Boris suffered his 'car crash'. You need that fiction, to mitigate other, more illuminating, factors ...

.... don't you ?

[Noir]

How was it a 'car crash'?

Andrew: You talk about article 5B in your-
Boris: Paragraph 5B Article 24. Get the detail right get the detail right Andrew it’s Article 24 Paragraph 5B.
Andrew: And how would you handle Paragraph 5C?
Boris: I would confide entirely in Paragraph 5B. That is-
Andrew: How would you get around what’s in Paragraph 5C?
Boris: I would confide entirely in Paragraph 5B which is enough for our purposes.
Andrew: Do you know what’s in 5C?
Boris: No.
Andrew: I thought you were a man of detail.
Boris: Well you didn’t even know if it was an article or a paragraph.
Andrew: Well that’s not a detail you told the Tory Hustings
Boris: There’s enough in Paragraph 5B to get us the agreement we want.
Andrew: No, 5C says that you don’t just need the EUs approval, you need to agree with the EU the shape of a future trade agreement and a timetable to getting towards it now can I just point out-
Boris: and why should that, can I ask you-
Andrew: okay I’ll tell you-
Boris: Why this defeatism? Why this negativity?

If you can read that and think it is anything other than a disastrous lack of understanding about how WTO regulation GATT24 will not support a no-deal Brexit as Boris is overtly stating , then I think you need to read it again.

[Elessar]

No. We will be able to make deals under the regulations determined by the WTO.

Im sure you seen (at least clips) of Johnson’s car-crash interview with Neil when he tried to spout the same nonsense that’s in your post, no?

How deluded can you be? You argue against someone more knowledgeable and articulate than you,
yet insist your myopic view covers both the UK and USA.

Time to sit back and smell the tea.

[Drummond]

How deluded can you be? You argue against someone more knowledgeable and articulate than you,
yet insist your myopic view covers both the UK and USA.

Time to sit back and smell the tea.

Noir was actually correct, when he said:

We will be able to make deals under the regulations determined by the WTO.

But for some reason, he thinks Boris Johnson was 'bested' in an interview when Johnson himself argued from that very position !

So, he couldn't recall one paragraph's wording (5c). It turned out not to be a pivotal detail, though.

But Noir still wants to demonise Boris Johnson's interview performance. Naturally he does. Anyone, and anything, giving us Brits hope that Brexit won't bring us to disaster, Noir needs to 'rubbish' as best he can.

He has his agenda.

I hope and trust that this snippet of information bears no relevance to Noir's anti-Boris stance .. ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson

Johnson was born to British parents on 19 June 1964 in Manhattan's Upper East Side in New York City. His birth was registered with both the U.S authorities and the city's British Consulate, thereby granting him both American and British citizenship.

[Russ]

https://www.oann.com/uks-johnson-wou...ter-the-times/

Looks like someone in the UK has a plan to escape European bondage

Sounds to me like really good news for both the UK and the US. We will see.