Harvard Rescinds Admission To Conservative Kyle Kashuv

[Kathianne]

@Noir This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1499024001/

[Noir]

@Noir This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1499024001/

I find the main thrust of the argument flawed, that ‘Harvard is such a good educator, it should include Kashuv because it can make him a better person’ as it supposes that the only relevant qualifier Harvard should consider is academic life, which is it’s own kind of discrimination.

Consider by example a student who is expected to do well in their academic studies, but not excellent, certainly not excellent enough to be considered for placement at Harvard. The above argument could be made with only a few changes to text. ‘Why shouldn’t Harvard offer the chance for someone with a poorer academic grading to the taught by the best, learn with the best, and become a better person for it. Of course Harvard’s output is exceptional because their input is so restrictive. Should a person have their chance to study at Harvard taken away because when they were 16 decided to socialise with friends rather than excessively revise for exams and their GPA suffered as a result. If Harvard was a good educator then they could teach kids with average grades to academically excel, this is their weakness’ etc etc. You could certainly have a professor proclaiming ‘I want to teach students from all academic backgrounds to be Harvard graduates.’

The spirit of what’s behind the USA Today story I can understand - the old mantra ‘be kind to unkind people, they need it most’ leaves a sour taste but it is probably the right path to take - but applying this to an institution as discriminatory as an elite university just isn’t going to go anywhere.

[Kathianne]

I find the main thrust of the argument flawed, that ‘Harvard is such a good educator, it should include Kashuv because it can make him a better person’ as it supposes that the only relevant qualifier Harvard should consider is academic life, which is it’s own kind of discrimination.

Consider by example a student who is expected to do well in their academic studies, but not excellent, certainly not excellent enough to be considered for placement at Harvard. The above argument could be made with only a few changes to text. ‘Why shouldn’t Harvard offer the chance for someone with a poorer academic grading to the taught by the best, learn with the best, and become a better person for it. Of course Harvard’s output is exceptional because their input is so restrictive. Should a person have their chance to study at Harvard taken away because when they were 16 decided to socialise with friends rather than excessively revise for exams and their GPA suffered as a result. If Harvard was a good educator then they could teach kids with average grades to academically excel, this is their weakness’ etc etc. You could certainly have a professor proclaiming ‘I want to teach students from all academic backgrounds to be Harvard graduates.’

The spirit of what’s behind the USA Today story I can understand - the old mantra ‘be kind to unkind people, they need it most’ leaves a sour taste but it is probably the right path to take - but applying this to an institution as discriminatory as an elite university just isn’t going to go anywhere.

Actually that is something that is the everyday norm, it's called affirmative action.

[Noir]

Actually that is something that is the everyday norm, it's called affirmative action.

A practice you agree with?

[Kathianne]

A practice you agree with?

Honestly, I think it's by far best to have students go to the best university their grades and achievement will take them the furthest. So in most cases, affirmative action undermines the students it's meant to help.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...rmative-action

The idea though, to have a more diverse body beyond the abilities level though, is well intentioned and is worth finding a path. However, the old saying about 'the road to . . .' If it were up to me, the Ivies would be well served by helping to place potential upperclassmen in a better suited university, mentoring through the first two years to make up some academic deficiencies these students carry with from the schools they'd attended and find a way to open enrollment with same scholarship offers in 2nd or 3rd year.

This case though isn't that. This is a qualified student, with a minority in thinking mindset that also would be a diversifying student. Something the universities need also. A handful of students that are not of the same cut, are not going to change the school, though exposure to differing schools of thought is purportedly what their business is. The disagreements, respectfully exchanged enlightens all. Respect on all sides helps all.

[STTAB]

Honestly, I think it's by far best to have students go to the best university their grades and achievement will take them the furthest. So in most cases, affirmative action undermines the students it's meant to help.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...rmative-action

The idea though, to have a more diverse body beyond the abilities level though, is well intentioned and is worth finding a path. However, the old saying about 'the road to . . .' If it were up to me, the Ivies would be well served by helping to place potential upperclassmen in a better suited university, mentoring through the first two years to make up some academic deficiencies these students carry with from the schools they'd attended and find a way to open enrollment with same scholarship offers in 2nd or 3rd year.

This case though isn't that. This is a qualified student, with a minority in thinking mindset that also would be a diversifying student. Something the universities need also. A handful of students that are not of the same cut, are not going to change the school, though exposure to differing schools of thought is purportedly what their business is. The disagreements, respectfully exchanged enlightens all. Respect on all sides helps all.

And that , of course, hits the nail on the head. Leftists want diversity in everything, except thought. Just a quick example of that is Joe Biden caving on the Hyde Amendment he didn't do that because he changed his mind, he did that because the hive told him his present thought was unacceptable.

[Kathianne]

@Noir here's a school that has 'rethought' that whole 'protect against contrary thoughts.' It's really what an education is about:

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13387

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The University of Louisiana at Lafayette recently changed its campus free speech policy, preventing the school from regulating students who use speech protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.


It is not the school’s responsibility to “shield” people from “ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive,” according to the new policy, reported The Vermilion.

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I'm proud to have my university be the founder of this free speech code:

https://www.thefire.org/cases/fire-l...ech-statement/

FIRE Launches Campaign in Support of University of Chicago Free Speech Statement

Category: Free Speech
Schools: University of Chicago
During September 2015, FIRE launched a national campaign asking colleges and universities to adopt the free speech policy statement produced by the Committee on Freedom of Expression at the University of Chicago. The statement guarantees “all members of the University community the broadest possible latitude to speak, write, listen, challenge, and learn,” and makes clear that “it is not the proper role of the University to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive.”
FIRE wrote hundreds of faculty members, students, and student journalists at institutions nationwide to build momentum in support of the Chicago statement.

Pledge Your Support for the Chicago Statement on Free Expression

[STTAB]

@Noir This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1499024001/

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

[jimnyc]

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

Imagine David Hogg having his acceptance rescinded over some comments around the shooting? And yep, a different set of beliefs about guns - and if he were denied after the fact, the libs would be screaming to the skies again.

[STTAB]

Imagine David Hogg having his acceptance rescinded over some comments around the shooting? And yep, a different set of beliefs about guns - and if he were denied after the fact, the libs would be screaming to the skies again.

Because leftists have ZERO principles. All they have is things they bash conservatives for doing. Even if they themselves are doing those exact same things, or worse.

[Noir]

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

Im not so sure - the left are non-too-shy at eating their own.

[jimnyc]

Meanwhile, liberals run so many of the colleges with their never ending demands. They get mini silent and crying rooms, quiet spaces. Places free of righties. They get violent without repercussions. Get to ban conservative speakers or events. Taught intolerance and liberal ideology. They give out white supremacy and white privilege classes & that's just a few. They get offended when someone else breathes.