Another anti-Trump Darroch claim !!

[Noir]

An addition to my post quote above, Noir.

I've been watching the latest BBC News broadcast on this issue. The report confirms that at the time Darroch sent his 'Trump scuppered the Iranian deal to spite Obama' allegation, Boris WAS THE FOREIGN SECRETARY. They further CONFIRM that Boris would've seen Darroch's assertion himself.

So, there's your answer, Noir.

I think it's becoming clear that Boris Johnson failed to give the extent of support to Darroch that his Conservative Party leadership competitor, Jeremy Hunt has done ... because he knew that Darroch was behaving as an opinionated maverick in his post, and was therefore unfit to continue.

And during his tome as foreign secretary Boris did what about this ‘opinionated maverick’ who was ‘unfit to continue’?

[Gunny]

And during his tome as foreign secretary Boris did what about this ‘opinionated maverick’ who was ‘unfit to continue’?

Insinuating Johnson is to blame for Darroch's behavior. Classic left.

[Noir]

Insinuating Johnson is to blame for Darroch's behavior. Classic left.

’To blame for’?No.
’Aware of’? Yes.

Which seems pretty relevant.

[STTAB]

It was very arrogant indeed for the man to have an opinion that you don’t share.

I wouldn't say arrogant, but I will say this, any person who has an opinion that is different than mine on ANY subject is wrong on that subject. PERIOD

[Gunny]

’To blame for’?No.
’Aware of’? Yes.

Which seems pretty relevant.

Why? I am "aware" of the Democrat Party's all out attempt to abuse the authority of the House of Representatives to impeach the President because they don't like him for winning. Doesn't make me responsible for its behavior.

You Brits are usually reserved, especially when it comes to ruffling feathers. Seems to me this Darroch character spent too much time reading the New Your Times and Washington Post while he was here. He allowed his personal prejudice to influence his commentary. Only the left gets away with that crap.

I don't see that Johnson has anything to do with what came out of Darroch's mouth. I certainly don't see the need for the call to arms in his defense.

[Noir]

Why? I am "aware" of the Democrat Party's all out attempt to abuse the authority of the House of Representatives to impeach the President because they don't like him for winning. Doesn't make me responsible for its behavior.

You Brits are usually reserved, especially when it comes to ruffling feathers. Seems to me this Darroch character spent too much time reading the New Your Times and Washington Post while he was here. He allowed his personal prejudice to influence his commentary. Only the left gets away with that crap.

I don't see that Johnson has anything to do with what came out of Darroch's mouth. I certainly don't see the need for the call to arms in his defense.

Boris read the reports that (according to Drummonds narrative) showed that Darroch was ‘unfit to continue’ as an ambassador, and he continued as ambassador. It’s that simple.

[Drummond]

And during his tome as foreign secretary Boris did what about this ‘opinionated maverick’ who was ‘unfit to continue’?

... 'TOME' ... ?

Anyway: do either of us know ? CAN either of us know ?

For example: do you know for a fact that, (a) Boris read Darroch's reports, but (b) did nothing at all about them ? What if, for example, Boris issued a warning to Darroch to moderate his reports in future, making them objective and not subjectively biased and vitriolic in nature ?

Do you know he DIDN'T ? Do you know if Darroch received that warning, but was so biased against Trump that he saw fit to ignore it ?

You may come to whatever assumptions you choose to. So may I. But neither of us knows what the full truth is. Dreaming up versions of it is a counterproductive exercise.

Perhaps, in Alan Duncan, he had a boss who was far more willing to give latitude than Johnson was.

Perhaps.

But neither of us knows. We have no actual knowledge, no insights, on this subject.

You'd be wise to presume ... NOTHING. But I've a funny feeling that such wisdom will not be your guide, Noir. After all, you'll have your agenda to pursue.

[Drummond]

I wouldn't say arrogant, but I will say this, any person who has an opinion that is different than mine on ANY subject is wrong on that subject. PERIOD

You are Sir Kim Darroch .. and I claim my five pounds !!

[STTAB]

You are Sir Kim Darroch .. and I claim my five pounds !!

LOL, it's true though. I am almost always right. In fact, I've only been wrong once in my life, what happened was I thought I had made mistake, but it turned out I hadn't.

[Noir]

... 'TOME' ... ?

Anyway: do either of us know ? CAN either of us know ?

For example: do you know for a fact that, (a) Boris read Darroch's reports, but (b) did nothing at all about them ? What if, for example, Boris issued a warning to Darroch to moderate his reports in future, making them objective and not subjectively biased and vitriolic in nature ?

Do you know he DIDN'T ? Do you know if Darroch received that warning, but was so biased against Trump that he saw fit to ignore it ?

You may come to whatever assumptions you choose to. So may I. But neither of us knows what the full truth is. Dreaming up versions of it is a counterproductive exercise.

Perhaps, in Alan Duncan, he had a boss who was far more willing to give latitude than Johnson was.

Perhaps.

But neither of us knows. We have no actual knowledge, no insights, on this subject.

You'd be wise to presume ... NOTHING. But I've a funny feeling that such wisdom will not be your guide, Noir. After all, you'll have your agenda to pursue.

We do know that Boris has said he fully supports Darroch, regrets his resignation, and has described him as a “victim”.

[Gunny]

We do know that Boris has said he fully supports Darroch, regrets his resignation, and has described him as a “victim”.

Sounds like Boris understands the diplomacy his colleague does not. Bite the bullet on your personal views and play diplomat.

[STTAB]

We do know that Boris has said he fully supports Darroch, regrets his resignation, and has described him as a “victim”.

What the hell did you think he was going to say?

[Drummond]

We do know that Boris has said he fully supports Darroch, regrets his resignation, and has described him as a “victim”.

Gunny and STTAB have both given you good answers.

Noir ... can you really be this naive ? OR, are you casting around for any excuse to attack Boris Johnson ?

Boris is involved in a competition for the Conservative Party leadership, and of course, with that, to win the Prime Minister's job !! Now, do you seriously think, with stakes that high, Boris won't word his public responses to questions with at least SOME degree of care ?

Granted that Boris isn't the most tactful politician out there. But if he ever had any need to exercise caution and judgment over any and all responses he gives, it'd be right now !!

You must know of the political climate that Boris Johnson is fighting his corner in ... one where Kim Darroch enjoys widespread support (though I can't see why). Jeremy Hunt clearly thinks it serves his leadership prospects to offer unreserved support for Darroch. The likes of Alan Duncan will pounce on anyone giving any less than that. In this climate, Noir, Boris wants to get, maintain, even build upon, his level of support to win the leadership contest.

With all this going on, YOU, Noir, expect Boris to have the duty to royally put his foot in his mouth, and argue AGAINST his support-base ?? Seriously ??

Here's a challenge, Noir.

You are anti-Conservative (.. obviously ..). But, you're singling out Boris for criticism. WHY ONLY HIM ?

So, let's see you attack Jeremy Hunt, too. Post something disparaging about him. Give it a go.

Or is only Boris in your sights ? If so ... precisely, WHY ?

[STTAB]

Gunny and STTAB have both given you good answers.

Noir ... can you really be this naive ? OR, are you casting around for any excuse to attack Boris Johnson ?

Boris is involved in a competition for the Conservative Party leadership, and of course, with that, to win the Prime Minister's job !! Now, do you seriously think, with stakes that high, Boris won't word his public responses to questions with at least SOME degree of care ?

Granted that Boris isn't the most tactful politician out there. But if he ever had any need to exercise caution and judgment over any and all responses he gives, it'd be right now !!

You must know of the political climate that Boris Johnson is fighting his corner in ... one where Kim Darroch enjoys widespread support (though I can't see why). Jeremy Hunt clearly thinks it serves his leadership prospects to offer unreserved support for Darroch. The likes of Alan Duncan will pounce on anyone giving any less than that. In this climate, Noir, Boris wants to get, maintain, even build upon, his level of support to win the leadership contest.

With all this going on, YOU, Noir, expect Boris to have the duty to royally put his foot in his mouth, and argue AGAINST his support-base ?? Seriously ??

Here's a challenge, Noir.

You are anti-Conservative (.. obviously ..). But, you're singling out Boris for criticism. WHY ONLY HIM ?

So, let's see you attack Jeremy Hunt, too. Post something disparaging about him. Give it a go.

Or is only Boris in your sights ? If so ... precisely, WHY ?

Yeah right, on this obviously right leaning board you see members like Gunny, Kath, even Jim, and myself almost daily say something along the lines of Trump is an asshole for __________________ but you will rarely and I mean rarely ever see a left leaning poster on ANY message board say anything negative about a liberal politician, no matter what they have done.

[Drummond]

Yeah right, on this obviously right leaning board you see members like Gunny, Kath, even Jim, and myself almost daily say something along the lines of Trump is an asshole for __________________ but you will rarely and I mean rarely ever see a left leaning poster on ANY message board say anything negative about a liberal politician, no matter what they have done.

Well, naturally. The true Conservative mindset is grounded in realism, objectivity ... and, of course, is guided by a strong sense of right v wrong.

The Left wing mindset is all about control, propaganda, about only seeing, and arguing for, what best serves their efforts to gain and exercise the control they want.

Conservatives are about individualism. An individual has real worth to them. Socialists are the polar opposite ... theirs is a 'hive mind' approach. See 'big pictures', and only that. Individuals are sacrificed on the altar of their agendas if they oppose that picture.

Trump certainly does (in spades !) .. so, attacks on him are unrelenting. Are those attacks based on truth, on reputability ? A Leftie won't care. The attacks continue until the opposition is dealt with.

You'll never see any Left winger want to say or do anything that erodes a propagandist stance. Even if truth intervenes, they prefer not to see it, if it's inconvenient truth. It's like a tapestry that's got one loose thread. Tug on that thread, and maybe the whole thing will unravel.

I regard Left wing thought, since it's not grounded on seeing or respecting realism not fitting their preferred worldview, as actual insanity. I fail to see how it doesn't qualify as that.