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    Default Nuclear Deal Parties Not Ready To Launch Dispute Mechanism Against Iran, Prefer More

    Not a lot new here except the continuing effort by the EU to appease the World's largest exporter of Islamic terrorism. The article DOES explain the "deal" in more detail than I have seen in the media. That is the main reason I posted it.

    Does Europe learn nothing? One would think turning a blind eye to Hitler and the price tag that came with it might help the thought process.

    July 15, 2019
    By John Irish and Daphne Psaledakis
    BRUSSELS (Reuters) – The remaining parties to the Iran nuclear deal do not see Tehran’s breaches as significant and do not intend for now to trigger the pact’s dispute mechanism, preferring more diplomacy to ease the crisis, the EU foreign policy chief said on Monday.
    She spoke at the end of an European Union foreign ministers meeting after Britain said there was only a “small window” of time to salvage the deal, while Iran warned it would ramp up uranium enrichment if the EU failed to do more to that end.U.S.-Iranian tensions have escalated since U.S. President Donald Trump decided last year to abandon the nuclear deal under which Iran agreed to curtail its atomic program in return for relief from economic sanctions crippling its economy.
    The EU ministers drew no conclusions on what action should next be taken to head off a feared U.S.-Iranian conflict. But by suggesting that Iran’s non-compliance was not significant, it could anger the United States, which last week warned it would intensify sanctions on Iran over its breaches, and it did prompt an immediate outcry from Israel, Iran’s regional arch-enemy.
    “For the time being, none of the parties to the agreement has signaled their intention to invoke this article,” EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini told a news conference in Brussels, referring to a mechanism to punish non-compliance.
    “(It) means that none of them for the moment, for the time being with the current data we have had in particular from the (U.N. nuclear watchdog) IAEA, (consider Iran’s) non-compliance…to be significant non-compliance.”
    NUCLEAR BREACHES
    IAEA inspectors last week confirmed Iran is now enriching uranium to 4.5% fissile purity, above the 3.67% limit set by its deal, the second breach in as many weeks after Tehran exceeded limits on its stock of low enriched uranium.
    The level at which Iran is now refining uranium is still well below the 20% purity of enrichment Iran reached before the deal, and the 90% needed to yield bomb-grade nuclear fuel. Low-enriched uranium provides fuel for civilian power plants.
    British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said earlier in the day that Iran remained “a good year away from developing a nuclear bomb”. He told reporters in Brussels: “There is still some closing, but small window to keep the deal alive.”
    Under the terms of the deal, if any party believes another is not upholding their commitments they can refer the issue to a Joint Commission comprising Iran, Russia, China, the three European powers, and the European Union.
    This activates a dispute mechanism that could eventually end with a restoration of global, U.N. sanctions against Iran. Mogherini said a joint commission meeting was possible, although when and at what level had yet to be decided.
    She indicated that for now the EU would focus on diplomatic efforts to save the nuclear deal, which signatories in 2015 touted as essential to ward off the risk of a wider Middle East war jeopardizing global energy supplies.
    “The deal is not in good health, but it’s still alive. We hope and we invite Iran to reverse these steps and go back to full compliance with the agreement,” Mogherini, adding that they were all reversible.
    “APPEASEMENT”
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the EU’s response on Monday, saying it recalled failed diplomacy with Nazi Germany in the run-up to World War Two.
    “(It) reminds me of the European appeasement of the 1930s,” Netanyahu said in a video statement.
    “Then, too, there were those who stuck their head in the sand and did not see the approaching danger,” said Netanyahu, who has often cast Iran’s nuclear projects as a mortal menace to Israel and the wider world. Iran denies seeking a nuclear bomb.
    The Brussels gathering had been called to flesh out ways of convincing Iran and the United States to reduce tensions and start a dialogue amid fears the 2015 deal is close to collapse.
    Fears of direct U.S.-Iranian conflict have risen since May with several attacks on oil tankers in the Gulf, Iran’s downing of a U.S. surveillance drone, and a plan for U.S. air strikes on Iran last month that Trump called off at the last minute.
    In reaction to the reimposition of tough U.S. sanctions, which have notably targeted Iran’s vital oil revenue stream, Tehran has cut some of its nuclear commitments under the deal.
    That led the European parties to the pact, France, Britain and Germany, to warn Tehran not to shred the deal’s terms.
    Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom suggested the Europeans would leave the door open for diplomacy but that Tehran should exercise restraint.
    “It improves their chances of having a good discussion with the EU and other partners in the JCPOA (Iran deal),” she told reporters. “We encourage them to use all diplomatic means and create new diplomatic channels …to de-escalate the tense situation. We have to use every opportunity to keep the deal.”
    The Islamic Republic’s nuclear energy agency said Tehran would return to the situation before the nuclear deal unless European countries fulfilled their obligations.
    “These actions are not taken out of stubbornness but to give diplomacy a chance,” agency spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi said.
    “And if the Europeans and America don’t want to fulfil their commitments we will create a balance in this deal by reducing commitments and return the situation to four years ago.”
    Iran says the European countries must do more to guarantee it the trade and investment dividends it was due to receive in return for U.N.-monitored limits to its nuclear capacity under the deal.
    TRADE MECHANISM
    The Europeans are also trying to set up Instex, a barter-based trade conduit with Iran, but an equivalent Iranian mechanism has yet to start. Should the mechanism go ahead it would initially only deal in products such as pharmaceuticals and foods, which are not subject to U.S. sanctions.
    Mogherini also said the shareholders of Instex, which now includes 10 EU members, were considering whether to include oil, something that until now has been ruled out given the threat of U.S. blowback.
    Iran has said Instex must include oil sales or provide substantial credit facilities for it to be beneficial.
    GRAPHIC – Commitments under threat: https://tmsnrt.rs/2XSTTiN
    (Additional reporting by Robin Emmott and Francesco Guarascio in Brussels, Marine Pennetier in Paris. Parisa Hafezi in Dubai and Dan Williams in Jerusalem; Editing by Mark Heinrich)
    https://www.oann.com/britain-sees-sm...europe-to-act/
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    Myself I believe the US should put sanction on the EU if they continue to try to help Iran get around US sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Myself I believe the US should put sanction on the EU if they continue to try to help Iran get around US sanctions.
    The EU, IMO, is nothing but another shot at socialist failure. Wonder how many times it has to fail before anyone gets it? It's just another bureaucracy that isn't worth a penny of its cost.

    Reminds me of the Southern US states signing on to be part of the US only to find out they can't leave as freely as they joined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    The EU, IMO, is nothing but another shot at socialist failure. Wonder how many times it has to fail before anyone gets it? It's just another bureaucracy that isn't worth a penny of its cost.

    Reminds me of the Southern US states signing on to be part of the US only to find out they can't leave as freely as they joined.
    The EU is as worthless as all of the rest of the multinational initial groups. NATO , UN , EU none of them are worth a shit.

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    I disagree about NATO, but will agree with all the others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I disagree about NATO, but will agree with all the others.
    NATOs an "iffy" one with me. What constitutes an issue to NATO? Invading the Crimea and backing rebel organizations in Ukraine?

    Having Twerphead Erdogan/Turkey as a member?

    For that matter, I'd HATE to be OUR ally. When the going gets tough for us, our politicians just leave.

    I'd be for re-addressing ALL of our post-WWII mutual defense agreements if our government could ever start by addressing itself first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I disagree about NATO, but will agree with all the others.
    Post cold war what has NATO done that is in the least bit impressive? They have turned into nothing more than another anti American bullshit group that takes our money while bitching about us. I mean fucking Turkey is in NATO, Id want Russia in NATO before I'd want Turkey in there. You can't trust a Turk any further than you could throw him, and anyone who ever spent any time in that region would tell you the same thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Post cold war what has NATO done that is in the least bit impressive? They have turned into nothing more than another anti American bullshit group that takes our money while bitching about us. I mean fucking Turkey is in NATO, Id want Russia in NATO before I'd want Turkey in there. You can't trust a Turk any further than you could throw him, and anyone who ever spent any time in that region would tell you the same thing..
    I hate Turks. Rather have a rattler as an ally. And they will sell us out in a second.

    Far as I was concerned we should have kicked Turkey's ass out of Syria. They're the most dangerous f-ckers over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I hate Turks. Rather have a rattler as an ally. And they will sell us out in a second.

    Far as I was concerned we should have kicked Turkey's ass out of Syria. They're the most dangerous f-ckers over there.
    I'd like to see Turkey ousted, I'm betting that happens within a couple years. Trump love Erdogan, but most of the West doesn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    I hate Turks. Rather have a rattler as an ally. And they will sell us out in a second.

    Far as I was concerned we should have kicked Turkey's ass out of Syria. They're the most dangerous f-ckers over there.
    You're damn right, the Turks have ZERO concept of loyalty to anyone or anything. We might as well of made ISIS a member of NATO as far as I'm concerned.

    For example, you can guarantee that the moment those shit bags think it's clear they will move into Syria and attack the Kurds. NATO "ally" or not the moment they attempt it we need to fuck them up good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    I'd like to see Turkey ousted, I'm betting that happens within a couple years. Trump love Erdogan, but most of the West doesn't.
    Interesting comment. Where do you get the impression Trump "loves Erdogan"? That was not the impression I got at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    Interesting comment. Where do you get the impression Trump "loves Erdogan"? That was not the impression I got at all.
    Dude, haven't you been watching CNN, it's well known that Trump admires dictators, the more brutal the more he loves them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    You're damn right, the Turks have ZERO concept of loyalty to anyone or anything. We might as well of made ISIS a member of NATO as far as I'm concerned.

    For example, you can guarantee that the moment those shit bags think it's clear they will move into Syria and attack the Kurds. NATO "ally" or not the moment they attempt it we need to fuck them up good.
    AH ... you didn't go read my threads in the ME forum on Turkey. I lived there for 2 years. You're preaching to the choir.

    They don't need us, or so Erdogan thinks, and they have always, even when we were the only thing between Turkey and Moscow spit on the street at us. Technology has bypassed our need for Turkey. I'd gift wrap the pace and hand it to Putin. Let him deal with their arrogant, duplicitous half-Persian mongrel asses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STTAB View Post
    Dude, haven't you been watching CNN, it's well known that Trump admires dictators, the more brutal the more he loves them.
    I am aware he's got a thing for Putin. I didn't see that with Erdogan.

    What I saw Trump do with Turkey was back out of a situation where he would either have to commit full US forces or stand aside. I don't think he was prepared to commit the forces and certainly he wasn't going to get any help from Congress from either party. I don't think he was prepared for Erdogan to grandstand on him.

    I wanted to kick Turkey's ass. At least out of Syria and I'm damned sure against abandoning the kurds that supported us for 2 decades worth of war when Erdogan is dead set on eradicating them after labeling all of them terrorists. I'm definitely against leaving Syria/Iraq with Turkey as one of the major powers remaining. There's something in it for Turkey besides genocide or they wouldn't be there. I'd just as soon deprive them of whatever it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
    AH ... you didn't go read my threads in the ME forum on Turkey. I lived there for 2 years. You're preaching to the choir.

    They don't need us, or so Erdogan thinks, and they have always, even when we were the only thing between Turkey and Moscow spit on the street at us. Technology has bypassed our need for Turkey. I'd gift wrap the pace and hand it to Putin. Let him deal with their arrogant, duplicitous half-Persian mongrel asses.
    I cross trained with some Turks after Desert Storm, and those motherfuckers were the worst, not only did they smell like a mixture of tobacco and camel shit even when there wasnt a camel within 1000 miles , but they were just outright disgusting people to be around. We had this big family type picnic at the end of our training where the Turks were supposed to meet and mingle with the family of their American hosts. This all took place at Fort Sill so an easy enough drive for my parents who brought my son with them. Anyway my parent were like 42 at the time and dressed appropriate for the age, but it was a hot day so my mother was in shorts as were most of the women there , this one fucking Turkih piece of shit called my mom a whore , right to my face . I told him he could apologize or go home in a body bag. He eventually decided to apologize

    I fucking hate Turks.

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